PBS NewsHour Special: America in Black and Blue [w/ subs]

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00:00:05 – >> Stewart: AMERICA IN BLACK AND
00:00:06 – BLUE.
00:00:06 – ON THIS PBS NEWSHOUR WEEKEND
00:00:08 – SPECIAL REPORT.
00:00:10 – RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES, TWO BLACK
00:00:12 – MEN KILLED BY POLICE, FIVE
00:00:16 – DALLAS OFFICERS GUNNED DOWN,
00:00:18 – MOURNING THE LOSSES.
00:00:22 – DEMANDING JUSTICE AND SEEKING
00:00:23 – COMMON GROUND.
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00:00:26 – >> Stewart: NEXT, ON AMERICA IN
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00:01:17 – FROM THE TISCH WNET STUDIOS AT
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00:01:20 – ALISON STEWART.
00:01:22 – >> Stewart: GOOD EVENING AND
00:01:24 – THANKS FOR JOINING US.
00:01:24 – I'M ALISON STEWART.
00:01:26 – TONIGHT AS WE ABSORB THE HORROR
00:01:28 – OF THE ATTACK IN FRANCE, HERE IN
00:01:29 – THE UNITED STATES WE ARE STILL
00:01:31 – SUFFERING AFTER A PERIOD OF
00:01:32 – INCREDIBLE VIOLENCE– THE
00:01:34 – KILLING OF TWO AFRICAN AMERICAN
00:01:37 – MEN BY POLICE OFFICERS IN
00:01:38 – MINNESOTA AND LOUISIANA, AND THE
00:01:39 – SHOOTING OF POLICE OFFICERS IN
00:01:41 – DALLAS.
00:01:41 – AMERICANS ARE PAINED,
00:01:43 – FRIGHTENED, AND DISMAYED OVER
00:01:44 – THE LONG-STANDING RACIAL ISSUES
00:01:46 – THAT THREATEN ALL OUR SAFETY.
00:01:48 – WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO DIG
00:01:50 – DEEPER.
00:01:50 – WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM AFRICAN
00:01:52 – AMERICAN PARENTS ABOUT THE TALK
00:01:53 – THEY HAVE WITH THEIR CHILDREN
00:01:55 – ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, FROM
00:01:56 – POLICE RECRUITS WHO FEAR THEY
00:01:58 – MIGHT MAKE A DEADLY MISTAKE,
00:02:00 – FROM PROTESTERS AND THOSE WHO
00:02:01 – THINK PROTESTORS HAVE GONE TOO
00:02:02 – FAR.
00:02:04 – WE KNOW YOU ARE HAVING THIS
00:02:05 – CONVERSATION IN YOUR LIVING
00:02:06 – ROOMS, YOUR CHURCHES, ON THE
00:02:07 – STREET AND IN SCHOOLS.
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00:02:11 – THE HASHTAG
00:02:12 – #AMERICABLACKANDBLUEPBS.
00:02:15 – DESPITE REAL PAIN AND ANGER, IT
00:02:17 – IS NOT ALL ABOUT THE SHOUTING.
00:02:19 – WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO REPORT
00:02:21 – AND TO EXPLORE HOW PEOPLE ACROSS
00:02:22 – THE COUNTRY CAN FIND COMMON
00:02:23 – GROUND.
00:02:26 – TENSION BETWEEN POLICE AND
00:02:27 – AFRICAN AMERICANS IS NOT NEW.
00:02:30 – WE DECIDED TO GO TO NEWARK, NEW
00:02:31 – JERSEY, WHERE 49 YEARS AGO THIS
00:02:33 – WEEK, THE CITY WAS ENGULFED IN
00:02:35 – RACE RIOTS TOUCHED OFF WHEN A
00:02:37 – BLACK TAXI DRIVER WAS PULLED
00:02:38 – OVER AND THEN BEATEN BY WHITE
00:02:40 – POLICE OFFICERS.
00:02:41 – IN THE MONTHS THAT FOLLOWED,
00:02:42 – PROTESTS AND RIOTS SWEPT THE
00:02:43 – COUNTRY.
00:02:45 – TODAY, NEWARK IS STILL
00:02:46 – STRUGGLING AND PEOPLE ARE STILL
00:02:47 – PROTESTING.
00:02:49 – THIS WEEK WE HEARD ANGER AND
00:02:50 – FEAR EXPRESSED AT A MARCH.
00:02:53 – THERE WERE ALSO SIGNS OF HOPE
00:02:54 – AND PROGRESS.
00:02:56 – WE ASKED MICHAEL HILL, A
00:02:57 – CORRESPONDENT FOR NEW JERSEY
00:02:57 – PUBLIC TELEVISION, TO PUT THE
00:02:59 – STORY IN PERSPECTIVE.
00:03:02 – >> WHAT DO WE WANT?
00:03:03 – JUSTICE.
00:03:05 – >> Reporter: A PROTEST IN NEWARK
00:03:07 – AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY IS
00:03:07 – NOTHING NEW.
00:03:08 – 49 YEARS AGO THIS WEEK, NEW
00:03:12 – JERSEY'S MOST POPULATED CITY
00:03:12 – BURNED IN REBELLION.
00:03:14 – MARTIAL LAW WAS IMPOSED AND
00:03:15 – INDELIBLY STAINED THIS CITY, AND
00:03:17 – THOSE WHO LIVED THROUGH IT– AS
00:03:18 – I DID IN NEWARK'S NORTH WARD AS
00:03:20 – AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD BOY.
00:03:23 – I REMEMBER MY MOTHER REPEATEDLY
00:03:24 – WARNING US NOT TO LOOK OUT THE
00:03:26 – WINDOW FOR FEAR OF BEING SHOT.
00:03:28 – BUT I MANAGED TO SNEAK A PEEK OR
00:03:31 – TWO AND WHEN I LOOKED OUT, I
00:03:32 – COULD SEE MILITARY VEHICLES AND
00:03:34 – TROOPS WITH BIG GUNS ROLLING
00:03:36 – DOWN 4th STREET.
00:03:37 – BARBARA KING REMEMBERS THE FEAR
00:03:40 – SHE HAD DURING THE RIOTS.
00:03:40 – SHE SAYS LITTLE HAS CHANGED.
00:03:41 – >> WE'RE STILL DYING.
00:03:43 – BUT THANK GOD PEOPLE ARE STILL
00:03:45 – STRUGGLING.
00:03:46 – >> RICH CASALE.
00:03:48 – WE'RE HERE TO ASSIST.
00:03:50 – >> Reporter: A FEW DAYS AFTER
00:03:51 – OFFICERS WERE KILLED IN DALLAS,
00:03:53 – THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT PUT
00:03:54 – SHARPSHOOTERS ON ROOFTOPS ALONG
00:03:56 – THIS PROTEST ROUTE PROTECTING
00:03:57 – LIEUTENANT RICHARD CASALE AND
00:03:59 – OTHER OFFICERS PROTECTING THE
00:04:00 – PROTESTERS.
00:04:02 – POLICE ENSURING THE FREE SPEECH
00:04:04 – RIGHTS OF DEMONSTRATORS WHILE
00:04:05 – THEIR UNIFORMS MAKE THEM TARGETS
00:04:07 – ON THE STREETS.
00:04:08 – >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FEAR,
00:04:09 – BUT IT'S A HEIGHTENED SENSE OF
00:04:11 – YOUR SURROUNDINGS.
00:04:12 – >> Reporter: LIEUTENANT CASALE
00:04:13 – HAS NO ILLUSIONS ABOUT WHAT
00:04:15 – POLICE ARE UP AGAINST.
00:04:18 – >> I CAN BE VERY HONEST, PEOPLE
00:04:19 – DO HAVE A DISTRUST.
00:04:20 – >> Reporter: POLICE SHOT AND
00:04:21 – KILLED 36-YEAR-OLD JERAME REID
00:04:23 – IN THIS GRAPHIC DASH CAM VIDEO
00:04:25 – OF A 2014 TRAFFIC STOP STILL
00:04:27 – UNDER FEDERAL REVIEW.
00:04:28 – THE KILLING HAS SO HARDENED
00:04:30 – REID'S MOTHER, THIS IS WHAT SHE
00:04:31 – SAYS ABOUT THE COPS MURDERED IN
00:04:33 – DALLAS.
00:04:34 – >> I HAVE NO FEELINGS FOR THOSE
00:04:36 – OFFICERS THAT GOT TOOK OUT LAST
00:04:38 – WEEK.
00:04:39 – >> Reporter: THE ROOTS OF THE
00:04:39 – ANGER, THE DISTRUST AND THE
00:04:41 – EXASPERATION IN NEWARK SURFACED
00:04:43 – IN JULY 2014 WHEN THE JUSTICE
00:04:46 – DEPARTMENT'S THREE-YEAR
00:04:46 – INVESTIGATION FOUND MANY NEWARK
00:04:48 – POLICE OFFICERS OVERREACTED AND
00:04:51 – ROUTINELY USED EXCESSIVE FORCE.
00:04:53 – THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
00:04:54 – CONCLUDED THAT 75% OF THE STOPS
00:04:57 – ON THE STREET HAD NO
00:04:58 – CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS.
00:05:00 – IN THE FRONTLINE DOCUMENTARY,
00:05:01 – “POLICING THE POLICE,”
00:05:03 – FILMMAKERS RODE ALONG WITH
00:05:04 – NEWARK OFFICERS AND CAPTURED THE
00:05:06 – NOW-DISBANDED GANG UNIT
00:05:08 – APPEARING TO TRAMPLE ON ONE'S
00:05:09 – MAN RIGHTS.
00:05:15 – >> YOU ARE NOT UNDER ARREST.
00:05:16 – >> WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS?
00:05:17 – >> DESPICABLE.
00:05:18 – THAT'S WHAT I COULD TELL YOU.
00:05:21 – I COULD TELL YOU THAT THE
00:05:21 – MAJORITY OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF
00:05:22 – THE NEWARK POLICE DEPARTMENT
00:05:23 – DON'T ENGAGE IN THAT TYPE OF
00:05:25 – ACTIVITY LIKE THAT.
00:05:26 – I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THE
00:05:30 – MISTAKES OR THE WRONGDOING
00:05:31 – BECOMES THE NORM.
00:05:36 – >> THE WAY YOU ALL APPROACHED
00:05:36 – ME, ALL I WAS DOING WAS WALKING
00:05:37 – HOME.
00:05:37 – IF YOU HAD JUST ASKED ME, I
00:05:38 – WOULD HAVE SAID I WAS WALKING
00:05:42 – HOME.
00:05:42 – DO NOT STEREOTYPE, CAUSE THAT'S
00:05:43 – WHAT YOU ALL DID TO ME.
00:05:44 – >> IT IS NOT AN ANOMALY.
00:05:45 – WHAT WE SEE ARE POLICE OFFICERS
00:05:48 – WHO WORK UNDER THE PRESSURE OF
00:05:50 – QUOTAS, WHO ARE INADEQUATELY
00:05:54 – TRAINED ON HOW TO ENGAGE IN A
00:05:57 – LAWFUL STOP, AND WHO HAVE A
00:05:59 – WARRIOR MENTALITY.
00:06:00 – >> Reporter: IN JANUARY,
00:06:01 – NEWARK'S MAYOR BROUGHT BACK THE
00:06:03 – CITY'S FORMER POLICE DIRECTOR
00:06:04 – AND CHIEF, ANTHONY AMBROSE.
00:06:06 – AMBROSE WANTS HIS 992 OFFICERS
00:06:09 – AND NEW RECRUITS TRAINED TO BE
00:06:11 – FRIENDLIER AND MORE ENGAGING.
00:06:13 – BUT HE SAYS IT WILL TAKE TIME TO
00:06:14 – PUT HIS REFORMS INTO ACTION.
00:06:19 – ARE THE REFORMS TAKING PLACE,
00:06:21 – THE KIND OF REFORMS TO MAKE REAL
00:06:25 – CHANGE?
00:06:25 – >> THE JURY'S STILL OUT ON WHERE
00:06:26 – WE ARE WHEN IT COMES TO
00:06:27 – REFORMING THE NEWARK POLICE
00:06:29 – DEPARTMENT.
00:06:30 – >> Reporter: IN THE 1960s, THE
00:06:31 – A.C.L.U. OF NEW JERSEY CALLED
00:06:32 – FOR THE CREATION OF A CIVILIAN
00:06:33 – COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD IN
00:06:34 – NEWARK.
00:06:35 – NOW, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ITS
00:06:37 – 350 YEARS, THE CITY HAS ONE.
00:06:40 – ADVOCATES CONSIDER IT THE
00:06:41 – STRONGEST IN THE NATION– AT
00:06:42 – LEAST ON PAPER– WITH THE
00:06:44 – AUTHORITY TO INVESTIGATE
00:06:45 – MISCONDUCT COMPLAINTS, SUBPOENA
00:06:47 – OFFICERS AND MAKE SURE
00:06:50 – DISCIPLINE STICKS.
00:06:50 – >> AND IT'S A REVIEW BOARD THAT
00:06:52 – IS LED BY A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE
00:06:55 – NOMINATED BY COMMUNITY AND CIVIL
00:06:58 – RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS.
00:06:58 – SO, THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY
00:06:59 – POSITIVE STEP FORWARD.
00:07:01 – >> I THINK WE HAVE NOTHING TO
00:07:02 – HIDE.
00:07:02 – I THINK TRANSPARENCY IS VERY
00:07:04 – GOOD.
00:07:04 – >> Reporter: BUT OFFICERS AND
00:07:05 – THEIR UNIONS WORRY THEY COULD BE
00:07:06 – SECOND-GUESSED BY CIVILIANS WHO
00:07:08 – HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE
00:07:09 – DANGERS AND CHALLENGES OF
00:07:11 – POLICING IN A PLACE LIKE NEWARK.
00:07:13 – >> WE MAKE DECISIONS
00:07:14 – INSTANTANEOUSLY.
00:07:17 – IF YOU MONDAY QUARTERBACK AND
00:07:18 – YOU HAVE AN HOUR TO DIGEST IT,
00:07:20 – WHAT WE DID IN HALF A SECOND,
00:07:22 – MAY LOOK UNREASONABLY.
00:07:31 – >> I'M NOT TOTALLY ANTI-POLICE
00:07:33 – BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY BREAK IN MY
00:07:34 – HOME, I'M A CALL THE POLICE.
00:07:37 – >> Reporter: REVEREND BRYANT ALI
00:07:37 – IS ONE OF SEVEN COMMUNITY
00:07:39 – MEMBERS SWORN IN TO THE CIVILIAN
00:07:40 – COMPLAINT REVIEW BOARD.
00:07:43 – >> IT'S NOT A CURE-ALL, BUT IT'S
00:07:44 – A START AND IT'S BETTER THAN
00:07:44 – WHAT WE HAD BEFORE.
00:07:45 – >> Reporter: NEWARK SCHOOL
00:07:46 – TEACHER BRIAN HOHMANN WAS ONE OF
00:07:48 – SEVERAL WHITE MARCHERS WE MET IN
00:07:49 – THE RECENT AND MOSTLY BLACK
00:07:51 – PROTEST.
00:07:54 – HOHMANN BELIEVES IN BLACK LIVES
00:07:55 – MATTER BECAUSE HE SAYS THOSE
00:07:55 – LIVES ARE AMONG THE MOST
00:07:56 – VULNERABLE.
00:07:57 – HE FEARS REFORMS CAN ONLY GO SO
00:08:00 – FAR; FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IS
00:08:00 – NEEDED.
00:08:02 – >> I DON'T THINK THAT POLICE
00:08:03 – OFFICERS, INSIDE THEIR UNIFORMS,
00:08:06 – INSIDE THEIR BODIES, ARE RACISTS
00:08:09 – THEMSELVES SEEKING TO KILL BLACK
00:08:09 – PEOPLE.
00:08:11 – BUT I DO THINK THEY'RE SOMETHING
00:08:12 – ABOUT THE ROLE OF POLICE
00:08:14 – OFFICERS AND THE INSTITUTION OF
00:08:15 – POLICING THAT LEADS TO RACIST
00:08:16 – KILLINGS.
00:08:17 – >> I WANT MY KIDS TO BE AWARE OF
00:08:19 – WHAT'S GOING ON.
00:08:20 – >> Reporter: WE ALSO MET ASHLEY
00:08:22 – PARKER.
00:08:22 – SHE CAME WITH HER SIX-YEAR-OLD
00:08:24 – SON NYSIR AND EIGHT-YEAR-OLD
00:08:25 – DAUGHTER NEVAEH.
00:08:26 – SHE SAYS SHE LOST THREE TEENAGE
00:08:28 – FRIENDS TO DEADLY ENCOUNTERS
00:08:29 – WITH NEWARK POLICE A DECADE AGO,
00:08:31 – BUT SHE SEES LAST WEEK'S
00:08:33 – TRAGEDIES AS A TEACHABLE MOMENT
00:08:34 – FOR POLICE AND PROTESTERS.
00:08:36 – >> DO YOU THINK THIS WILL CHANGE
00:08:38 – ANY TIME SOON, IN YOUR LIFETIME,
00:08:40 – IN YOUR SON'S LIFETIME?
00:08:41 – >> IN MY SON'S LIFETIME, YES.
00:08:44 – I FEEL LIKE, IN MY SON'S
00:08:44 – LIFETIME, YES, I DO.
00:08:46 – >> Stewart: FINDING SOLUTIONS IS
00:08:47 – NEVER EASY.
00:08:48 – WE ASKED NEWSHOUR SPECIAL
00:08:49 – CORRESPONDENT CHRIS BURY TO LOOK
00:08:50 – FOR A PLACE WHERE CHANGE IS
00:08:51 – HAPPENING.
00:08:53 – HE REPORTS NOW FROM MINNEAPOLIS,
00:08:54 – JUST A FEW MILES FROM WHERE
00:08:56 – PHILANDO CASTILE WAS SHOT AND
00:08:57 – KILLED DURING A TRAFFIC STOP.
00:08:59 – >> Reporter: WHATEVER THE EXACT
00:09:01 – CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LED POLICE TO
00:09:03 – PULL OVER PHILANDO CASTILE– A
00:09:05 – BROKEN TAILLIGHT OR THE
00:09:07 – OFFICER'S SUSPICION HE RESEMBLED
00:09:09 – A SUSPECT IN A ROBBERY– THE
00:09:11 – ANGER HERE IS FUELED BY A
00:09:13 – FEELING THAT CASTILE DIED A
00:09:15 – VIOLENT DEATH DURING A ROUTINE
00:09:17 – POLICE STOP PRIMARILY BECAUSE HE
00:09:20 – WAS A BLACK MAN.
00:09:21 – THIS MAKESHIFT MEMORIAL MARKS
00:09:23 – THE SPOT WHERE PHILANDO CASTILE
00:09:24 – DIED AT THE HANDS OF POLICE.
00:09:26 – FOR CASTILE, GETTING PULLED OVER
00:09:28 – HERE IN A SUBURB OF ST. PAUL WAS
00:09:30 – NOT AT ALL UNUSUAL.
00:09:32 – COURT RECORDS SHOW POLICE HAD
00:09:33 – STOPPED HIM MORE THAN 50 TIMES
00:09:35 – SINCE 2002 FOR MISDEMEANORS
00:09:38 – INCLUDING NOT HAVING A DRIVER'S
00:09:39 – LICENSE AND NOT WEARING A
00:09:40 – SEATBELT.
00:09:41 – MOST OF THOSE PETTY OFFENSES
00:09:43 – WERE EVENTUALLY DISMISSED.
00:09:45 – >> WITHOUT THAT LOW LEVEL
00:09:46 – OFFENSE, PHILANDO CASTILE WOULD
00:09:47 – HAVE NEVER HAVE BEEN STOPPED.
00:09:49 – >> Reporter: RON HARRIS IS
00:09:50 – WORKING TO REFORM LOCAL LAWS
00:09:52 – REGULATING LOW LEVEL OFFENSES
00:09:54 – THAT HE SAYS ARE FAR MORE LIKELY
00:09:56 – TO BE ENFORCED AGAINST BLACKS
00:09:57 – THAN WHITES.
00:09:59 – A PRACTICE THAT HARRIS SAYS
00:10:00 – DRAWS MORE AFRICAN AMERICANS
00:10:02 – DEEPER INTO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE
00:10:05 – SYSTEM.
00:10:05 – >> DISPROPORTIONATELY, BLACK AND
00:10:06 – BROWN MEN ARE TARGETED FOR THOSE
00:10:08 – OFFENSES, AND THEY ARE VERY
00:10:08 – RARELY CHARGED WITH THE LOW
00:10:10 – LEVEL OFFENSE.
00:10:11 – THEY ARE ACTUALLY CHARGED WITH A
00:10:13 – HIGHER OFFENSE.
00:10:13 – BUT THE ONLY WAY THE POLICE EVER
00:10:14 – GOT TO THE HIGHER OFFENSE WAS
00:10:15 – THROUGH THE ENTRY POINT OF THE
00:10:16 – LOW LEVEL OFFENSE.
00:10:18 – >> Reporter: LAST JUNE,
00:10:19 – MNNEAPOLIS REPEALED TWO
00:10:21 – MISDEMEANOR LAWS ENACTED DURING
00:10:23 – THE 19th CENTURY, THAT BANNED
00:10:25 – “SPITTING” AND “LURKING,” OR
00:10:28 – HIDING FOR THE PURPOSE OF
00:10:29 – COMMITTING A CRIME.
00:10:31 – NEKIMA LEVY-POUNDS, WHO HEADS
00:10:33 – THE MINNEAPOLIS OFFICE OF THE
00:10:34 – N.A.A.C.P., PUSHED FOR THE
00:10:37 – CHANGE.
00:10:37 – >> WE FOUND THAT IN MOST
00:10:38 – JURISDICTIONS, LURKING WAS
00:10:39 – UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND AS A MATTER
00:10:41 – OF FACT, PEOPLE COULDN'T EVEN
00:10:42 – EXPLAIN WHAT LURKING ACTUALLY
00:10:44 – WAS.
00:10:45 – SOMEONE STANDING AT A BUS STOP
00:10:46 – COULD BE CONSIDERED LURKING.
00:10:48 – >> Reporter: THE PRESIDENT OF
00:10:48 – THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL,
00:10:50 – BARB JOHNSON, WORRIED ABOUT HIGH
00:10:52 – CRIME IN HER DISTRICT, CAST THE
00:10:55 – ONLY VOTE AGAINST REPEALING THE
00:10:57 – LAWS BANNING SPITTING AND
00:10:58 – LURKING.
00:11:00 – >> I AM CONCERNED THAT IF WE DO
00:11:01 – AWAY WITH PENALTIES FOR THIS LOW
00:11:05 – LEVEL KIND OF CRIME, THAT PEOPLE
00:11:05 – WILL FEEL UNSAFE AND THEN LEAVE
00:11:08 – MY COMMUNITY.
00:11:09 – AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT
00:11:10 – HAPPEN.
00:11:11 – >> Reporter: BUT MINNEAPOLIS
00:11:12 – CITY RECORDS SHOW A CLEAR RACIAL
00:11:14 – DISPARITY IN POLICE ENFORCEMENT.
00:11:16 – FOR EXAMPLE, OF THE 392 PEOPLE
00:11:19 – ARRESTED FOR LURKING BETWEEN
00:11:21 – 2009 AND 2014, 59% WERE AFRICAN
00:11:23 – AMERICAN.
00:11:27 – IN MINNEAPOLIS, BLACKS MAKE UP
00:11:29 – ABOUT 19% OF THE POPULATION.
00:11:32 – THE A.C.L.U., IN A STUDY OF ALL
00:11:34 – LOW LEVEL CRIMES IN THE CITY,
00:11:36 – FOUND AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE
00:11:38 – NEARLY NINE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO
00:11:40 – BE ARRESTED FOR SUCH OFFENSES
00:11:42 – THAN WHITES.
00:11:43 – >> THE REPORT HIGHLIGHTED ALL OF
00:11:47 – THE WAYS IN WHICH PEOPLE OF
00:11:48 – COLOR IN MINNEAPOLIS ARE FACING
00:11:52 – HUGE DISPARITIES WHEN IT COMES
00:11:53 – TO LOW LEVEL ARRESTS.
00:11:55 – I THINK EVERYBODY KNEW THERE
00:11:56 – WERE RACIAL DISPARITIES, BUT NOT
00:11:58 – THE DEPTH OF THE PROBLEM.
00:12:00 – >> Reporter: THE RACIAL TENSION
00:12:01 – SURROUNDING THE ENFORCEMENT OF
00:12:03 – LOW LEVEL CRIMES– LIKE THE
00:12:05 – POLICE STOP THAT LED TO THE
00:12:06 – DEATH OF PHILANDO CASTILE– IS
00:12:08 – PART OF A LARGER NATIONAL DEBATE
00:12:10 – OVER POLICING.
00:12:11 – ONE PHILOSOPHY, KNOWN AS “BROKEN
00:12:14 – WINDOWS,” CALLS FOR AGGRESSIVE
00:12:16 – POLICING OF SMALL CRIMES TO
00:12:18 – PREVENT LARGER DISORDER IN THE
00:12:20 – COMMUNITY.
00:12:21 – LIEUTENANT BOB KROLL, WHO HEADS
00:12:22 – THE MINNEAPOLIS POLICE UNION,
00:12:24 – LIKENS IT TO FISHING.
00:12:25 – >> LITTLE ARRESTS LEAD TO BIG
00:12:27 – ARRESTS, AND IF YOU HAVE CAUSE
00:12:29 – TO STOP SOMEONE FOR THE LURKING
00:12:31 – CRIME AND DOING AN INVESTIGATORY
00:12:33 – STOP, YOU MAY FIND OUT THAT THEY
00:12:35 – HAVE WARRANTS FOR THEIR ARREST,
00:12:37 – OR YOU MAY FIND OUT THAT, UPON
00:12:39 – CLOSER LOOK, THEY ARE WANTED IN
00:12:40 – A CRIME WHICH HAS BEEN OCCURRING
00:12:42 – IN AN AREA YOU ARE POLICING AND
00:12:44 – THEY MATCH A DESCRIPTION, AND
00:12:46 – MAY WARRANT FURTHER QUESTIONING
00:12:47 – FROM INVESTIGATORS.
00:12:47 – >> Reporter: BUT ACTIVISTS IN
00:12:48 – MINNEAPOLIS ARE PUSHING FOR A
00:12:50 – MORE TOLERANT APPROACH.
00:12:52 – THEY SAY THE REPEAL OF
00:12:53 – ORDINANCES AGAINST LURKING AND
00:12:55 – SPITTING IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
00:12:57 – THAT THE ENFORCEMENT OF OTHER
00:12:59 – MISDEMEANORS, SUCH AS PUBLIC
00:13:01 – URINATION AND AGGRESSIVE
00:13:02 – PANHANDLING, SHOULD ALSO BE
00:13:04 – SCRAPPED.
00:13:05 – >> IT DOES NOT ACTUALLY BENEFIT
00:13:07 – PUBLIC SAFETY TO HAVE SUCH
00:13:09 – PETTY, LOW LEVEL OFFENSES ON THE
00:13:11 – BOOKS AND IT'S A HUGE WASTE OF
00:13:13 – TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND RESOURCES.
00:13:15 – >> Reporter: THE LINGERING
00:13:16 – UNEASE IN THE TWIN CITIES IS
00:13:17 – PALPABLE.
00:13:21 – ALL WEEK LONG, PROTESTORS
00:13:21 – GATHERED AT THE MINNESOTA
00:13:23 – GOVERNOR'S MANSION.
00:13:24 – AT THE MEMORIAL ALONG THE ROAD
00:13:26 – WHERE PHILANDO CASTILE DIED, TWO
00:13:28 – YOUNG WOMEN EMBRACED IN SILENCE,
00:13:31 – PAYING THEIR RESPECTS TO A MAN
00:13:32 – WHO HAS NOW BECOME ANOTHER
00:13:33 – REMINDER OF THE RACIAL DIVIDE
00:13:35 – THAT MANY BELIEVE IS MADE WIDER
00:13:38 – BY A DISPARITY IN THE WAY POLICE
00:13:39 – HANDLE PETTY CRIME.
00:13:42 – >> I THINK OF THESE OFFICERS NOW
00:13:45 – AS OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE FORCED
00:13:48 – TO MAKE A DECISION IN PROTECTING
00:13:51 – US.
00:13:51 – I'M NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY
00:13:53 – FROM THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE
00:13:54 – SHOT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT
00:13:56 – WAS HAPPENING.
00:13:58 – BUT I HAVE SYMPATHY AND EMPATHY
00:14:00 – FOR THE OFFICERS THAT WERE
00:14:06 – REQUIRED TO MAKE A DECISION–
00:14:07 – WHETHER RIGHTFULLY OR WRONG.
00:14:08 – IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THERE, IT'S
00:14:11 – KIND OF HARD TO SAY THEY WERE
00:14:13 – WRONG.
00:14:16 – >> Stewart: NEXT YOU ARE GOING
00:14:17 – TO HEAR TWO VERY DIFFERENT
00:14:18 – PERSPECTIVES ON POLICE WORK AND
00:14:20 – HOW TWO LEADERS IN LAW
00:14:21 – ENFORCEMENT FEEL ABOUT THEIR
00:14:24 – WORK.
00:14:24 – FIRST, POLICE LIEUTENANT THOMAS
00:14:25 – GLOVER.
00:14:26 – HE IS A 35-YEAR VETERAN OF THE
00:14:28 – FORCE AND PRESIDENT OF THE BLACK
00:14:30 – POLICE ASSOCIATION OF GREATER
00:14:31 – DALLAS.
00:14:32 – GLOVER SHARED HIS STORY JUST TWO
00:14:34 – DAYS AFTER FIVE OF HIS FELLOW
00:14:36 – OFFICERS WERE SHOT AND KILLED BY
00:14:45 – A GUNMAN, ENDING A PEACEFUL
00:14:45 – PROTEST AGAINST POLICE
00:14:46 – BRUTALITY.
00:14:46 – NEWSHOUR WEEKEND ANCHOR HARI
00:14:47 – SREENIVASAN SPOKE WITH HIM IN
00:14:48 – TEXAS.
00:14:48 – >> Sreenivasan: HOW LONG DO YOU
00:14:49 – THINK UNTIL THIS COMMUNITY HEALS
00:14:54 – ITSELF FROM THIS?
00:14:57 – >> I'D LIKE TO SAY WE'RE ON OUR
00:14:58 – WAY TO HEALING NOW, BUT ALL IT
00:15:02 – TAKES IS THE NEXT BAD ACTOR TO
00:15:03 – UPSET THAT.
00:15:04 – >> Sreenivasan: WE WENT TO SEE
00:15:04 – LIEUTENANT THOMAS GLOVER IN
00:15:06 – DALLAS TWO DAYS AFTER THE POLICE
00:15:07 – SHOOTINGS.
00:15:09 – HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE AREA'S
00:15:10 – BLACK POLICE ASSOCIATION AND HAS
00:15:12 – THE PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT IT'S
00:15:14 – LIKE TO BE A POLICE OFFICER AND
00:15:17 – AN AFRICAN AMERICAN.
00:15:18 – I STARTED BY ASKING HIM IF IT'S
00:15:19 – POSSIBLE TO WANT CRIMINAL
00:15:20 – JUSTICE REFORM WHILE AT THE SAME
00:15:22 – TIME VALUING THE LIFE OF EVERY
00:15:23 – POLICE OFFICER.
00:15:25 – >> I THINK IT IS, AS AN
00:15:27 – INDIVIDUAL I'M THAT WAY, AS AN
00:15:29 – AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN, IN AMERICA
00:15:32 – WITH OVER 35 YEARS ON THE POLICE
00:15:34 – DEPARTMENT, I AM THAT WAY.
00:15:36 – THE MAJORITY OF THE POLICE
00:15:37 – OFFICERS THAT I KNOW, WE ALL
00:15:40 – WANT TO SEE BEHAVIOR THAT IS
00:15:42 – IMPROPERLY EXHIBITED BY A POLICE
00:15:45 – OFFICER CRIMINALIZED.
00:15:47 – YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR JOB AS A
00:15:48 – POLICE OFFICER, AND THEN ON THE
00:15:51 – OTHER HAND, WHEN YOU REMOVE YOUR
00:15:53 – UNIFORM AND BADGE, AND YOU GO
00:15:54 – HOME, MANY OF US SPEND OUR TIMES
00:15:57 – IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY.
00:15:58 – THE SOCIAL ORGANIZATIONS WE TEND
00:16:01 – TO BECOME MEMBERS OF ARE BLACK,
00:16:03 – THE FRATERNITIES, SORORITIES,
00:16:05 – ALUMNI ASSOCIATIONS.
00:16:06 – SO, WE GO FROM BEING POLICE
00:16:08 – OFFICERS WHO WORK IN A PROCESS
00:16:11 – WHERE IT'S OUR DUTY TO DO WHAT
00:16:14 – WE WERE SWORN TO DO, AND THAT'S
00:16:15 – UPHOLD THE LAWS.
00:16:17 – BUT THEN YOU HAVE SOME VERY
00:16:18 – HEINOUS THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
00:16:20 – I WILL NOT COMPROMISE MY
00:16:25 – CONVICTIONS AS AN AFRICAN
00:16:25 – AMERICAN MALE FOR THE
00:16:26 – CONVENIENCE OF BEING A POLICE
00:16:28 – OFFICER.
00:16:28 – JUST CAN'T DO IT.
00:16:31 – I HAVE REPORTED MISCONDUCT.
00:16:32 – I HAVE REPORTED WHAT I BELIEVE
00:16:34 – WAS TO BE EXCESSIVE FORCE.
00:16:37 – AND I HAVE VIGOROUSLY TRIED TO
00:16:39 – CALL OUT PEOPLE WHO OPENLY
00:16:41 – PRACTICE WHAT I WOULD SAY WERE
00:16:44 – DISCRIMINATORY ACTS OR RACIST
00:16:47 – ACTS OF TREATMENT OF PEOPLE OF
00:16:50 – COLOR.
00:16:50 – AND SO, THAT CROSSROADS IS VERY
00:16:53 – EVIDENT AS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN
00:16:55 – POLICE OFFICER BECAUSE FIRST OF
00:16:57 – ALL YOU ARE A PART OF THE
00:16:58 – COMMUNITY.
00:17:00 – THERE'S NOTHING I WILL EVER BE
00:17:02 – ABLE TO DO THAT WILL DISSOLVE MY
00:17:04 – BLACK SKIN.
00:17:05 – NOTHING.
00:17:06 – >> Sreenivasan: YOUR
00:17:07 – UNWILLINGNESS TO COMPROMISE BOTH
00:17:09 – OF THOSE IDENTITIES, HAS THAT
00:17:11 – COST YOU IN YOUR CAREER?
00:17:14 – >> THAT'S THE DILEMMA WE ARE
00:17:15 – FACED WITH BECAUSE WE ARE
00:17:16 – EXPECTED TO DO WHATEVER IS
00:17:18 – NECESSARY TO BE THAT OFFICER OF
00:17:20 – THE LAW, 24/7.
00:17:22 – WE ARE ALSO EXPECTED TO BE THE
00:17:24 – AFRICAN AMERICAN BROTHER,
00:17:26 – FATHER, UNCLE, COUSIN, PASTOR,
00:17:29 – DEACON, 24/7, TOO.
00:17:31 – AND THAT MAKES IT A GRUELING
00:17:37 – TASK.
00:17:39 – I DO THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE
00:17:39 – DELIBERATELY BRINGING FORTH
00:17:40 – MISCONDUCT, WHO, SO TO SPEAK,
00:17:43 – BREAK WHAT YOU CALL CODE OF
00:17:44 – SILENCE, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE
00:17:49 – THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE UP IN
00:17:50 – POLICE DEPARTMENT'S THE WAY
00:17:51 – OTHERS DO.
00:17:52 – WHEN YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT
00:17:53 – MISCONDUCT IN MANY INSTANCES,
00:17:56 – YOU ARE LABELED AS A
00:17:58 – TROUBLEMAKER, A MILITANT, YOU'RE
00:18:01 – RADICAL.
00:18:02 – >> Sreenivasan: THE DALLAS
00:18:03 – POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOWS EXACTLY
00:18:03 – WHERE YOU STAND?
00:18:06 – >> YES, THEY KNOW.
00:18:06 – THEY KNOW WHERE I STAND.
00:18:07 – >> Sreenivasan: THERE ARE SO
00:18:08 – MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW IN THE
00:18:09 – COUNTRY WHO FEEL LIKE, IF I'M IN
00:18:11 – TROUBLE THE COPS ARE NOT WHO I
00:18:14 – CALL.
00:18:14 – HOW DO YOU CHANGE THAT?
00:18:16 – >> IT'S SAD THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO
00:18:17 – THIS POINT, BUT IT IS A FIXABLE
00:18:18 – PROBLEM.
00:18:21 – IT'S FIXABLE BY PEOPLE
00:18:22 – LISTENING.
00:18:23 – IT'S FIXABLE BY PEOPLE WHO
00:18:26 – COMMIT THE HEINOUS ACTS BEING
00:18:28 – PROSECUTED.
00:18:28 – AND IT'S FIXABLE BY ALWAYS
00:18:30 – GIVING PEOPLE A FORUM TO GO IN
00:18:32 – AND MAKE A COMPLAINT, AND
00:18:34 – LISTENING TO IT AND NOT
00:18:35 – DISCOURAGING THEM.
00:18:36 – >> Sreenivasan: ARE THE CONCERNS
00:18:37 – OF AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES
00:18:39 – IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW
00:18:41 – AGAINST POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND
00:18:42 – HOW THE POLICE OR TREATING THEM,
00:18:44 – ARE THEY LEGITIMATE?
00:18:45 – >> I DEFINITELY BELIEVE THAT THE
00:18:48 – CONCERNS ARE TOTALLY LEGITIMATE.
00:18:50 – 110%.
00:18:51 – THE CONCERNS OF MY COMMUNITY
00:18:53 – OUGHT TO BE THE CONCERNS OF
00:18:54 – MINE.
00:18:55 – IT DOESN'T SAY THAT I HAVE TO
00:18:57 – AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S
00:18:59 – SAID.
00:18:59 – DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYTHING
00:19:00 – THAT IS SAID IS TRUE.
00:19:01 – BUT YOU OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY
00:19:03 – TO INVESTIGATE, TO MAKE VIGOROUS
00:19:06 – ATTEMPTS AT IDENTIFYING THE
00:19:08 – PROBLEM.
00:19:09 – IF I AM A MEMBER OF THE
00:19:10 – COMMUNITY– WHETHER IT BE BLACK,
00:19:12 – HISPANIC, ASIAN OR WHITE– AND I
00:19:14 – COMPLAIN ABOUT A POLICE
00:19:17 – BEHAVIORAL ACT THAT I SAW, THEN
00:19:19 – WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.
00:19:22 – WE CAN'T SIDESTEP IT.
00:19:22 – >> Stewart: AND NOW TO THE
00:19:24 – LEADER OF THE LARGEST POLICE
00:19:24 – FORCE IN THE UNITED STATES, A
00:19:26 – MAN WHO HAS TO DEAL WITH ISSUES
00:19:27 – IN HIS OWN RANKS AFTER A SERIES
00:19:29 – OF HIGH PROFILE CASES OF POLICE
00:19:31 – BRUTALITY IN NEW YORK CITY AND
00:19:33 – ONGOING PROTEST THIS SUMMER.
00:19:35 – IN AN INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE
00:19:36 – ROSE ON HIS PBS PROGRAM EARLIER
00:19:38 – THIS WEEK, NEW YORK CITY POLICE
00:19:40 – COMMISSIONER BILL BRATTON
00:19:41 – ADDRESSED THE BLACK LIVES MATTER
00:19:43 – MOVEMENT AND ALSO HAD STRONG
00:19:44 – WORDS ABOUT BAD COPS.
00:19:48 – >> FIX THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE TO
00:19:50 – ADMIT YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM.
00:19:50 – I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY UP FRONT
00:19:52 – IN AMERICAN POLICING IN
00:19:53 – RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE MANY
00:19:56 – PROBLEMS.
00:19:56 – AMONG OUR RANKS, ARE RACISTS
00:19:59 – BRUTAL PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS.
00:20:02 – AND I THINK MUCH LESS OF THAT
00:20:04 – THAN THERE WAS WHEN I WAS FIRST
00:20:05 – IN THE PROGRESSION, I CAN
00:20:08 – GUARANTEE.
00:20:08 – STILL THAT PERCENTAGE THAT ONE
00:20:10 – OR TWO PERCENT CERTAINLY, AS
00:20:13 – POLICE COMMISSIONER HERE IN
00:20:14 – NEW YORK TO ADDRESS SO MUCH OF
00:20:17 – THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT,
00:20:19 – FOR EXAMPLE.
00:20:19 – THEY HAVE TEN AREAS OF PURPOSE
00:20:23 – THAT THEY ARE DEMANDING CHANGE.
00:20:25 – AS I LOOK AT THOSE TEN POINTS,
00:20:28 – THE MAJORITY WE'RE ALREADY DOING
00:20:30 – IN ARE NEW YORK.
00:20:30 – >> WITH BLACK LIVES MATTER YOU
00:20:33 – HAVE NO CONCERNS WITH BLACK
00:20:35 – LIVES MATTER THE NAME OF THE
00:20:36 – ORGANIZATION OR THE FOCUS OF
00:20:39 – CONCERNS.
00:20:39 – BUT THE CONCERN I HAVE IN THE
00:20:41 – ORGANIZATION THAT SEEKS TO
00:20:42 – STEREOTYPE US, DEFINE US, THE
00:20:45 – GERM THAT ALLOWS RACISM IS GROW
00:20:47 – IS THE STEREOTYPE THE PAINTING
00:20:48 – OF A WIDE BRUSH OF A RACE OR
00:20:51 – COLOR OR RELIGION.
00:20:53 – PROTESTERS CLAIMING POLICE ARE
00:20:54 – RACISTS, ALL POLICE ARE RACISTS
00:20:57 – THAT COPS ARE COLD BLOODED
00:20:58 – KILLERS UP THE SAME CONSTRUCT.
00:21:00 – >> EXACTLY.
00:21:03 – AND TO CONTINUE THAT QUOTE FROM
00:21:06 – MY PRESS YESTERDAY, I TALKED
00:21:07 – ABOUT THAT WOULD BE LIKE US WITH
00:21:11 – THE 40 MILLION BLACKS IN THIS
00:21:12 – COUNTRY, UNFORTUNATE REALITY
00:21:14 – THERE'S SO MUCH CRIME IN THAT
00:21:16 – COMMUNITY, BUT THEY ARE THE
00:21:18 – VICTIMS OF THAT CRIME.
00:21:19 – DO WE DEFINE ALL 40 MILLION
00:21:20 – BLACKS AS CRIMINALS BECAUSE THEY
00:21:22 – HAVE CRIMINALS IN THEIR FLANKS
00:21:24 – NO, WE SEEK TO FOCUS ON THOSE
00:21:27 – WHO ARE COMMITTING THOSE ACTS.
00:21:29 – SO, THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH
00:21:30 – BLACK LIVES MATTER, I DON'T HAVE
00:21:33 – A PROBLEM WITH THEIR GOAL, IF
00:21:34 – YOU WILL.
00:21:36 – OR WITH EVEN THE TERM “BLACK
00:21:37 – LIVES MATTER” THAT THEY ARE
00:21:39 – BLACK SO THEY ARE —
00:21:42 – >> BUT TROUBLE WITH —
00:21:43 – WITH SOME OF THE RHETORIC
00:21:45 – WHICH IS PAINTING WITH THAT
00:21:47 – BROAD BRUSH 24 IDEA, OF IT'S
00:21:50 – VERY ORIGIN TO GO AFTER THE
00:21:52 – POLICE.
00:21:53 – >> AS THE LAW ENFORCE.
00:21:54 – OFFICIALS WE'VE JUST
00:21:55 – >> Stewart: AS THE LAW
00:21:55 – ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS WE'VE JUST
00:21:56 – HEARD FROM KNOW SOLUTIONS TO
00:21:57 – RACIAL INJUSTICE REQUIRE NOT
00:21:58 – JUST A DESIRE TO CHANGE, BUT THE
00:22:00 – ACTUAL TOOLS TO MAKE CHANGE.
00:22:03 – THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
00:22:03 – LAUNCHED MY BROTHER'S KEEPER, A
00:22:05 – PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INITIATIVE IN
00:22:07 – 2014 TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
00:22:09 – YOUNG MEN OF COLOR AND TO
00:22:11 – ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS.
00:22:12 – SO, WE'VE ASKED BRODERICK
00:22:13 – JOHNSON, ASSISTANT TO THE
00:22:14 – PRESIDENT, CABINET SECRETARY,
00:22:16 – AND THE CHAIR OF THE MY
00:22:17 – BROTHER'S KEEPER TASK FORCE TO
00:22:18 – JOIN US FROM WASHINGTON D.C. TO
00:22:20 – TELL US WHAT PROGRESS THEY'VE
00:22:22 – MADE.
00:22:22 – MR. JOHNSON, WHAT STREET THIS
00:22:24 – PROGRAM PROVIDING THAT WAS
00:22:28 – MISSING?
00:22:28 – >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
00:22:29 – HAVING ME ON.
00:22:30 – MY BROTHER'S KEEPER IS PROVIDING
00:22:32 – AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE
00:22:33 – TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGE ACROSS
00:22:35 – THE COUNTRY AND TO DO IT BASED
00:22:37 – ON LOOKING AT, IN A VERY
00:22:39 – RIGOROUS WAY, THOSE POINTS IN
00:22:41 – THE LIFE OF ALL KIDS, BUT
00:22:43 – ESPECIALLY THE LIVES OF BOYS AND
00:22:44 – YOUNG MEN OF COLOR TO SEE WHEN
00:22:46 – WE CAN INTERVENE TO HAVE AN
00:22:48 – IMPACT.
00:22:48 – THAT WORK HAS BEEN GOING VERY
00:22:51 – WELL, WHAT WE'RE PROUD OF IS THE
00:22:52 – FACT THAT THERE ARE OVER 250
00:22:55 – COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE UNITED
00:22:56 – STATES, IN ALL 50 STATES THAT
00:22:58 – HAVE ADOPTED PRESIDENT'S VISION
00:23:00 – AND FRAMEWORK FOR OUR BROTHER'S
00:23:01 – KEEPER.
00:23:02 – >> I NOTICE QUITE A BIT OF
00:23:03 – MENTORING IN THE PROGRAM.
00:23:04 – >> YES.
00:23:06 – THAT STEMS FROM THE VIEW THE
00:23:07 – PRESIDENT HAS THAT EVERY YOUNG
00:23:09 – PERSON NEEDS A CARING A**** IN
00:23:12 – HIS OR HER LIFE.
00:23:13 – OF COURSE IN MANY, MANY AFRICAN
00:23:15 – AMERICAN COMMUNITIES AND
00:23:16 – HISPANIC COMMUNITIES, THOSE BOYS
00:23:19 – AND YOUNG MEN ESPECIALLY NEED TO
00:23:20 – HAVE A MALE FIGURE IN THEIR
00:23:22 – LIVES.
00:23:22 – SO, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE
00:23:24 – NBA AND WORKING WITH THE AD
00:23:26 – COUNCIL AND MANY OTHER GROUPS,
00:23:28 – TO TRY TO PROVIDE AS MANY
00:23:29 – MENTORS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
00:23:31 – AND WE'VE SEEN THOUSANDS OF NEW
00:23:34 – MENTORS TAKE UP THAT
00:23:35 – RESPONSIBILITY.
00:23:36 – >> IS THERE ONE PROGRAM YOU SEE
00:23:38 – THAT YOU THINK IS REALLY A TRULY
00:23:39 – A SUCCESS STORY?
00:23:41 – >> YES, DETROIT.
00:23:43 – DETROIT IS ONE OF THE PREMIERE
00:23:45 – MY BROTHER'S KEEPER COMMUNITY IN
00:23:46 – THAT THEY STARTED TO WORK VERY
00:23:49 – AGGRESSIVELY FROM THE BEGINNING,
00:23:50 – INVOLVED THE COMMUNITY, HAD VERY
00:23:52 – SPECIFIC GOALS.
00:23:53 – ONE THAT I'M ESPECIALLY HAPPY TO
00:23:56 – HEAR ABOUT IS THAT THEY HAVE A
00:23:59 – SUMMER JOBS PROGRAM, AS DO MANY
00:24:00 – OTHER COMMUNITIES, OF COURSE.
00:24:02 – THEY ARE PROVIDING 8,000 SUMMER
00:24:03 – JOBS THIS SUMMER AND 2,000 OF
00:24:06 – THOSE JOBS WILL ASSOCIATE YOUNG
00:24:08 – PEOPLE IN DETROIT WITH THE
00:24:10 – POLICE DEPARTMENT IN DETROIT.
00:24:12 – CERTAINLY LOOK AT ISSUES AROUND
00:24:14 – COMMUNITY POLICING AND TRUST AND
00:24:17 – YOUNG PEOPLE.
00:24:18 – THAT'S AN ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT
00:24:20 – THING TO TAKE NOTE OF.
00:24:21 – >> YOU BRING ME TO MY NEXT
00:24:23 – QUESTION.
00:24:23 – WHAT IMPACT DOES MY BROTHER'S
00:24:24 – KEEPER HAVE ON THE RELATIONSHIP
00:24:26 – BETWEEN YOUNG BLACK MEN, YOUNG
00:24:28 – MEN OF COLOR AND POLICE
00:24:30 – DEPARTMENTS?
00:24:31 – >> WELL, YOU KNOW,
00:24:32 – FUNDAMENTALLY, THESE ISSUES AS
00:24:34 – WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN
00:24:35 – TERMS OF THE POLICE AND THE
00:24:37 – COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE,
00:24:38 – ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE OF COLOR
00:24:39 – COME DOWN TO TRUST.
00:24:42 – IN MANY OF MY BROTHER'S KEEPER
00:24:43 – COMMUNITIES, IN FACT, WE ARE
00:24:45 – SEEING — THEY COME FORTH WITH
00:24:47 – THEIR OWN LOCAL IDEAS AND PLANS
00:24:48 – AND FAMILIAR SIS, WE SEE NUMBER
00:24:50 – OF COMMUNITIES FOCUS ON GETTING
00:24:52 – POLICE OFFICIALS TO WORK WITH
00:24:54 – YOUNG PEOPLE, TO DEVELOP TRUST,
00:24:56 – TALK ABOUT CAREERS AND LAW
00:24:58 – ENFORCEMENT.
00:24:58 – BUT TO BREAK DOWN THE BARRIERS
00:25:00 – OF TRUST AND FEAR THAT WE OFTEN
00:25:02 – SEE, OF COURSE THAT LEAD TO MANY
00:25:04 – OF THE TRAGEDIES THAT WE HAVE
00:25:05 – SEEN LATELY.
00:25:06 – I'D LIKE TO SAY, BUT IT'S
00:25:08 – IMPORTANT TO GET BEYOND
00:25:09 – ASPIRATIONS TALK ABOUT REAL
00:25:12 – THINGS.
00:25:13 – WE'RE VERY PROUD THAT THIS
00:25:14 – WEEKEND, LARGEST AFRICAN
00:25:16 – AMERICAN POLICE ORGANIZATION,
00:25:18 – NOBLES GO TO BE ANNOUNCING A
00:25:20 – PARTNERSHIP WITH MY BROTHER'S
00:25:21 – KEEP TORE DIRECTLY FOCUS ON
00:25:23 – THESE ISSUES AROUND TRUST AND
00:25:25 – RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN POLICE
00:25:27 – OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNITIES
00:25:29 – THEY SERVE.
00:25:30 – ESPECIALLY BOYS AND YOUNG MEN OF
00:25:31 – COLOR.
00:25:32 – >> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO FOLKS WHO
00:25:33 – ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS
00:25:34 – IS NOT HAPPENING FAST ENOUGH.
00:25:36 – WE'RE NOT GETTING RESULTS FAST
00:25:38 – ENOUGH.
00:25:39 – >> WELL, I GUESS I WOULD SAY
00:25:40 – THAT WE IN FACT ARE SEEING
00:25:42 – RESULTS.
00:25:43 – WE'RE SEEING TREMENDOUS RESULTS
00:25:44 – ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
00:25:46 – I'VE BEEN TRAVELING TO WHAT WE
00:25:47 – CALL NBK COMMUNITIES ON A
00:25:49 – REGULAR BASIS, PEOPLE ARE SO
00:25:51 – EXCITED ABOUT THE WORK, WHAT
00:25:53 – THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT IS FIRST
00:25:55 – OF ALL, THAT THIS IS IN ACCORD
00:25:57 – WITH A VISION OF THE PRESIDENT
00:25:58 – OF THE UNITED STATES.
00:26:00 – SECOND, THAT IS BEING BUILT TO
00:26:01 – BE SUSTAINABLE SO THAT THIS WORK
00:26:03 – WILL GO ON AND IT'S MAKING
00:26:05 – TRANSFORMATIONAL CHANGE.
00:26:07 – AND THIRD, THOUGH, THERE'S A
00:26:08 – RECOGNITION THAT WE DIDN'T GET
00:26:10 – INTO THESE ISSUES OVERNIGHT.
00:26:12 – THAT THIS IS STEMMING FROM MORE
00:26:13 – THAN JUST DECADES OF CHALLENGES
00:26:16 – IN THIS COUNTRY AROUND RACE AND
00:26:17 – EQUITY, BUT CENTURIES.
00:26:19 – SO, WILL TAKE US AWHILE
00:26:21 – CERTAINLY TO BE ABLE TO COMBAT A
00:26:24 – LOT OF THE ISSUES, BUT THAT IF
00:26:25 – WE CHIP AWAY, WE MAKE PROGRESS,
00:26:27 – WE LOOK AT RESULTS, WE FOCUS ON
00:26:30 – WHAT WORKS.
00:26:31 – IN FACT WE ARE MAKING A
00:26:33 – DIFFERENCE.
00:26:33 – >> BRODERICK JOHNSON, THANK YOU
00:26:34 – SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME
00:26:36 – TODAY.
00:26:36 – >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:26:38 – >> I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY
00:26:39 – THE WORLD COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SO
00:26:42 – HATEFUL, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS, YOU
00:26:43 – KNOW, YOUNG MEN THAT LOOK LIKE
00:26:44 – ME OVER SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE
00:26:46 – NO CONTROL OVER.
00:26:46 – IT'S LIKE MY SKIN COLOR IS A
00:26:49 – CRIME, LITERALLY.
00:26:50 – IT'S A CRIME TO BE BLACK.
00:26:53 – I'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT ALMOST
00:26:54 – WHERE IT FEELS I NEVER THOUGHT
00:26:56 – ABOUT IT LIKE THIS, BUT BEING
00:26:57 – BLACK ALMOST FEELS LIKE A JOB.
00:27:01 – >> Stewart: WE'VE HEARD THE
00:27:02 – VOICES OF PROTESTERS, AND
00:27:03 – POLICE, AND GOVERNMENT
00:27:05 – OFFICIALS.
00:27:05 – BUT THE CONVERSATION MANY
00:27:06 – AMERICANS ARE HAVING OCCUPIES A
00:27:08 – SPACE THAT BARELY EXISTED A
00:27:10 – DECADE AGO.
00:27:11 – SOCIAL MEDIA HAS NOT ONLY
00:27:12 – CHANGED THE WAY WE LEARN ABOUT
00:27:13 – TRAGEDIES, IT'S ALSO CHANGED THE
00:27:15 – WAY WE REACT TO THEM.
00:27:17 – WE GET INFORMATION IN REAL TIME,
00:27:19 – SOMETIMES WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE
00:27:20 – MESSENGER, AND THE MESSENGER
00:27:21 – DOESN'T KNOW US.
00:27:22 – NEWSHOUR'S HARI SREENIVASAN
00:27:24 – EXPLORES THE OFTEN UNFILTERED,
00:27:26 – SOMETIMES ANGRY, AND SOMETIMES
00:27:28 – WONDERFULLY KIND WORLD OF SHARED
00:27:29 – INFORMATION.
00:27:31 – >> Sreenivasan: ALTON STERLING
00:27:32 – STRUGGLING BENEATH POLICE, SHOT
00:27:33 – DEAD.
00:27:36 – THE ENTIRE SCENE CAPTURED ON
00:27:37 – NEARBY CELL PHONES.
00:27:38 – DIAMOND REYNOLDS, SITTING IN THE
00:27:40 – PASSENGER SEAT OF A CAR
00:27:41 – BROADCASTING LIVE ON FACEBOOK,
00:27:44 – JUST AFTER POLICE SHOT HER
00:27:46 – BOYFRIEND PHILANDO CASTILE.
00:27:47 – SHE CALMLY NARRATES AS THE
00:27:49 – OFFICER STILL HAD HIS GUN DRAWN
00:27:51 – JUST OUTSIDE THE CAR WINDOW.
00:27:53 – >> I TOLD HIM NOT TO REACH FOR
00:27:55 – IT.!
00:27:55 – I TOLD HIM TO GET HIS HAND OPEN!
00:27:56 – >> YOU TOLD HIM TO GET HIS I.D.,
00:27:57 – SIR, HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE.
00:28:00 – PLEASE DON'T TELL ME MY
00:28:00 – BOYFRIEND JUST WENT LIKE THAT.
00:28:02 – >> Sreenivasan: THE NEXT DAY,
00:28:03 – REPORTS OF THE SHOOTINGS AT THE
00:28:05 – PROTEST IN DALLAS QUICKLY SPREAD
00:28:06 – ACROSS SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:28:07 – A POST ON TWITTER READ, “POLICE
00:28:10 – HAVE STOPPED THE PROTEST.
00:28:11 – SHOTS HAVE BEEN FIRED.”
00:28:13 – AND CELL PHONE VIDEOS FOUND
00:28:15 – THEIR WAY ONTO TV.
00:28:16 – >> THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT VIDEO
00:28:18 – THAT TRANSFORMS AN EVENT.
00:28:20 – THAT TRANSFORMS OUR
00:28:21 – UNDERSTANDING OF AN EVENT.
00:28:23 – >> Sreenivasan: DAVID FOLKENFLIK
00:28:23 – IS THE MEDIA CORRESPONDENT FOR
00:28:25 – NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO.
00:28:26 – HE SAYS THESE VIDEOS QUICKLY
00:28:28 – TAKE ON NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE.
00:28:29 – >> YOU GET A LOT OF
00:28:32 – CONVERSATION, PEOPLE TRYING TO
00:28:33 – FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
00:28:34 – AND YOU ALSO SEE A LOT OF ANGER,
00:28:36 – OF HURT, OF PAIN, OF ANGUISH, OF
00:28:39 – FAIRLY UNVARNISHED EMOTIONS
00:28:40 – COURSING THROUGH YOUR STREAMS ON
00:28:42 – TWITTER, ON FACEBOOK, ON OTHER
00:28:44 – SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS.
00:28:45 – >> Sreenivasan: THE HASHTAG
00:28:46 – BLACK LIVES MATTER BEGAN
00:28:47 – TRENDING ONLINE AS IT HAS AFTER
00:28:49 – SO MANY SUCH VIDEOS, BUT THIS
00:28:52 – TIME IT BEGAN MOBILIZING PEOPLE
00:28:53 – ON THE STREETS IN THE REAL
00:28:54 – WORLD.
00:28:56 – >> BLACK LIVES MATTER!
00:28:56 – >> Sreenivasan: THE PROTESTS
00:28:57 – WERE RECORDED AND IN TURN
00:28:59 – APPEARED BACK ONLINE.
00:29:00 – BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE MISSED THEM
00:29:01 – UNLESS YOU OR YOUR FRIENDS WERE
00:29:03 – ALREADY FOLLOWING THE
00:29:04 – CONVERSATION OR PAYING ATTENTION
00:29:06 – TO EXCESSIVE USES OF FORCE.
00:29:07 – >> HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT.
00:29:08 – HANDS UP, DON'T SHOOT.
00:29:10 – >> MUCH OF THAT SAME KIND OF
00:29:11 – POLARIZATION IS HAPPENING
00:29:14 – ONLINE.
00:29:14 – SO WE STILL HAVE THAT ECHO
00:29:16 – CHAMBER WE GET OUR NEWS IN THE
00:29:17 – PLACE THAT WE LIKE TO GET OUR
00:29:18 – NEWS TO TELL US WE WHAT WE WANT
00:29:20 – TO HEAR.
00:29:20 – >> Sreenivasan: CHARLTON
00:29:21 – McILWAIN, A PROFESSOR OF MEDIA,
00:29:23 – CULTURE AND COMMUNICATION AT NEW
00:29:24 – YORK UNIVERSITY, SAYS THE TENOR
00:29:26 – OF THE CONVERSATION SHIFTED
00:29:28 – AFTER THE SHOOTINGS OF POLICE
00:29:29 – OFFICERS IN DALLAS.
00:29:31 – >> AND I THINK WHEN DALLAS
00:29:33 – HAPPENED, WHAT YOU START TO SEE
00:29:34 – IS THAT CONVERSATION COMPLETELY
00:29:37 – TURN TO COPS AS THE PRIMARY
00:29:42 – VICTIMS AND THEN FOLKS ON THE
00:29:44 – OTHER SIDE AS THE VILLAINS,
00:29:45 – REALLY.
00:29:47 – >> Sreenivasan: ANGRY TWEETS
00:29:48 – DENOUNCING THE BLACK LIVES
00:29:49 – MATTER MOVEMENT SPREAD QUICKLY
00:29:51 – ONLINE.
00:29:52 – WITH MESSAGES LIKE, “CLEARLY THE
00:29:54 – RHETORIC OF BLACK LIVES MATTERS
00:29:55 – ENCOURAGED THE SNIPER THAT SHOT
00:29:57 – DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS,” AND
00:30:00 – “YOU DID THIS OBAMA, YOU DID
00:30:02 – THIS LIBERALS, YOU DID THIS
00:30:04 – BLACK LIVES MATTER.”
00:30:05 – AT THE SAME TIME, ANTI-COP
00:30:07 – MESSAGES LIKE, “DON'T FEEL BAD
00:30:09 – FOR THOSE PIGS,” AND “I'M GLAD
00:30:11 – 11 COPS WERE SHOT.
00:30:13 – THEY NEED TO LEARN HOW WE FEEL.”
00:30:14 – >> THERE IS A DIN AND A
00:30:15 – CACOPHONY THAT EMERGES.
00:30:17 – IT'S LOUD, IT'S CLANGING, IT IS
00:30:19 – OFTEN VERY MUCH IN CONFLICT,
00:30:21 – PEOPLE AGREEING WITH EACH OTHER,
00:30:22 – KIND OF PUMPING ONE ANOTHER UP.
00:30:23 – >> AND THEN YOU JUST END UP IN A
00:30:24 – POLARIZED CONVERSATION WHERE NO
00:30:26 – ONE'S GOING TO LISTEN TO EACH
00:30:27 – OTHER AND EVERYONE IS JUST GOING
00:30:28 – TO GET MORE ANGRY.
00:30:30 – >> Sreenivasan: WHILE PARTS OF
00:30:30 – SOCIAL MEDIA HIGHLIGHTED THE
00:30:31 – DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PEOPLE,
00:30:33 – THESE SAME PLATFORMS BECAME THE
00:30:36 – SPACE FOR AN OUTPOURING OF
00:30:37 – SUPPORT TO A GRIEVING NATION.
00:30:38 – >> I APPRECIATE YOU.
00:30:40 – >> Sreenivasan: IMAGES OF PEOPLE
00:30:41 – HUGGING DALLAS LAW ENFORCEMENT,
00:30:43 – WERE VIEWED MORE THAN 36 MILLION
00:30:45 – TIMES.
00:30:46 – THE VIDEO OF A DALLAS POLICE
00:30:49 – OFFICER THE DAY AFTER THE
00:30:49 – ATTACK GOT MORE THAN SEVEN
00:30:50 – MILLION VIEWS.
00:30:51 – >> I LOVE YOU.
00:30:53 – >> I LOVE YOU, TOO.
00:30:55 – >> Sreenivasan: HE ALSO HAD THIS
00:30:57 – MESSAGE.
00:30:58 – >> ALWAYS REMEMBER, I REFUSE TO
00:30:59 – SEE HATE LIVE WHILE LOVE DIES.
00:31:01 – I REFUSE TO SEE HATE LIVE WHILE
00:31:03 – LOVE DIES.
00:31:03 – >> Sreenivasan: CHARLTON
00:31:04 – McILWAIN SAYS THESE MOMENTS THAT
00:31:06 – CONNECT PEOPLE HAVE AN IMPORTANT
00:31:08 – PLACE IN THE NATIONAL
00:31:09 – CONVERSATION.
00:31:10 – >> I THINK THEY HELP KIND OF RE-
00:31:12 – HUMANIZE THE SITUATION.
00:31:14 – THEY HELP SORT OF BECOME A KIND
00:31:23 – OF COUNTER-NARRATIVE THAT SAYS
00:31:23 – LOOK WE DON'T HAVE TO SEE
00:31:24 – PROTESTERS AND COPS AS POLAR
00:31:25 – ENDS OF A CONVERSATION OR
00:31:27 – ANTAGONISTIC PARTIES WITH
00:31:28 – ANTAGONISTIC INTERESTS.
00:31:36 – >> Stewart: FOLLOW OUR
00:31:36 – CONTINUING COVERAGE OF ISSUES OF
00:31:38 – RACE AND POLICING IN THE UNITED
00:31:39 – STATES.
00:31:40 – VISIT US ONLINE AT
00:31:41 – pbs.org/newshour.
00:31:43 – AND JOIN THE CONVERSATION ON
00:31:45 – TWITTER.
00:31:45 – TWEET US AT NEWSHOUR AND USE THE
00:31:47 – HASHTAG #AMERICABLACKANDBLUEPBS.
00:31:51 – DISCUSSIONS ABOUT VIOLENCE ARE
00:31:52 – NOT NEW AT PBS.
00:31:54 – AFTER FERGUSON, AFTER
00:31:55 – CHARLESTON, AND IN THE WAKE OF
00:31:57 – THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SHOOTING
00:31:58 – IN NEWTOWN, CONNECTICUT, PBS
00:32:00 – BROADCAST AND STREAMED TOWN
00:32:01 – HALLS AND SPECIAL REPORTS TO
00:32:02 – HELP START CONVERSATIONS.
00:32:04 – HERE'S NEWSHOUR ANCHOR GWEN
00:32:06 – IFILL FROM A PBS TOWN HALL
00:32:08 – DISCUSSION IN ST. LOUIS,
00:32:09 – MISSOURI, FOLLOWING THE SHOOTING
00:32:11 – OF MICHAEL BROWN IN 2014.
00:32:14 – >> Ifill: I WANT TO START BY
00:32:15 – TALKING TO REVEREND TRACY
00:32:19 – BLACKMAN IS THE PASTOR OF CHRIST
00:32:21 – THE KING UNITED CHURCH OF
00:32:23 – CHRIST.
00:32:24 – WHY DON'T YOU JOIN ME AND TALK
00:32:26 – TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE
00:32:28 – INTERESTING QUESTIONS PEOPLE
00:32:29 – HAVE ABOUT YOU WHO ARE IN THE
00:32:31 – MIDDLE OF IT ALL.
00:32:33 – IS HOW MUCH IT CHANGED YOU.
00:32:36 – >> I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF US
00:32:37 – WILL EVER BE THE SAME BECAUSE OF
00:32:40 – FERGUSON.
00:32:40 – I PASS FOR A CHURCH TIN
00:32:43 – FLORISTON TO SEE WHAT WAS
00:32:46 – HAPPENING THERE IT DOESN'T JUST
00:32:47 – RESONATE WITH ME AS A PASTOR BUT
00:32:51 – AS A MOTHER.
00:32:51 – I HAVE TWO BLACK SONS WHO ARE IN
00:32:53 – THEIR 20s.
00:32:55 – SO I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO
00:32:57 – BE TARGETED, I KNOW WHAT IT
00:32:58 – FEELS LIKE NOT TO BE HEARD.
00:33:00 – AS A PROFESSIONAL IN THIS CITY,
00:33:04 – I ALSO TRAVEL BETWEEN BOTH
00:33:06 – SIDES, JUST LIKE THERE ARE TWO
00:33:09 – FERGUSONS, THERE ARE TWO
00:33:12 – ST. LOUISES AND TWO AMERICAS I
00:33:13 – TRAVEL BETWEEN BOTH OF THEM.
00:33:15 – SO, TO SEE THE GREAT CHASM THAT
00:33:17 – EXISTS JUST BETWEEN A FEW
00:33:19 – TRAFFIC LIGHTS THAT CHANGE THE
00:33:21 – PERCEPTION OF EVERYTHING THAT
00:33:23 – HAPPENS TO YOU.
00:33:25 – BEFORE MIKE BROWN.
00:33:27 – FOR ALL OF MY LIFE, FOR ALL OF
00:33:30 – MY LIFE, FOR ALL OF MY
00:33:32 – CHILDRENS' LIVES.
00:33:33 – FOR ALL OF MY PARENTS' LIVES
00:33:36 – BEFORE ME.
00:33:36 – >> Ifill: THANK YOU.
00:33:37 – >>
00:33:37 – >> Stewart: THAT WAS ALMOST TWO
00:33:38 – YEARS AGO AFTER FERGUSON.
00:33:41 – BUT FOR MANY AFRICAN AMERICAN
00:33:42 – PARENTS, THEIR FEARS HAVE NOT
00:33:44 – CHANGED.
00:33:44 – HAVING TO TALK TO YOUR CHILD
00:33:46 – ABOUT RACE IS SOMETHING ALL
00:33:47 – PARENTS OF COLOR KNOW THEY MUST
00:33:49 – DO.
00:33:50 – AN UPCOMING PBS DOCUMENTARY WILL
00:33:52 – EXAMINE HOW PARENTS PREPARE
00:33:53 – THEIR CHILDREN TO INTERACT WITH
00:33:54 – THE POLICE BY SITTING DOWN FOR
00:33:57 – “THE TALK.”
00:33:58 – IN THIS EXCERPT, YOU'LL MEET TWO
00:33:59 – WOMEN DEALING WITH THE REALITY
00:34:01 – OF RAISING AFRICAN AMERICAN BOYS
00:34:03 – IN AMERICA.
00:34:06 – THAT WE CAN'T
00:34:06 – LET OUR SONS OUT OF OUR FRONT
00:34:08 – DOORS.
00:34:09 – WITHOUT GIVING THEM INSTRUCTIONS
00:34:11 – ON HOW TO COME BACK ALIVE.
00:34:14 – WE HAVE DONE 16 OF THESE TALKS
00:34:17 – AROUND THE ST. LOUIS REGION.
00:34:19 – THE PANEL HAS TRAVELED HERE FROM
00:34:21 – MEMPHIS TO BROADEN THE COMMUNITY
00:34:24 – AND MAKE YOU A PARTED OF
00:34:26 – HEALING, WHAT IS GOING SO WRONG
00:34:29 – IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW.
00:34:34 – >> I MOVED WITH MY SON INTO AN
00:34:36 – ALL-WHITE COMMUNITY.
00:34:39 – I DID NOT EXPECT HIM TO EVER BE
00:34:42 – TROUBLE.
00:34:43 – BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE.
00:34:45 – THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING,
00:34:48 – WHICH IS THE PROBLEM.
00:34:48 – AND SO WHEN A POLICE OFFICER
00:34:49 – PULLED HIM OVER I JUST HAPPENED
00:34:51 – TO BE WITH HIM.
00:34:53 – I HEARD SOMETHING IN MY SON'S
00:34:55 – VOICE I DID NOT REALIZE EXISTED.
00:34:57 – HE KNEW HE HAD NOT DONE ANYTHING
00:35:00 – WRONG.
00:35:00 – I HEARD AN ANGER.
00:35:04 – HE WASN'T DISRESPECTFUL.
00:35:06 – MY SON KEPT ASKING HIM, WHAT DID
00:35:07 – I DO.
00:35:09 – AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT
00:35:12 – IN MY MIND THAT HAD I NOT BEEN
00:35:14 – THERE THAT SITUATION WOULD HAVE
00:35:16 – ESCALATED.
00:35:18 – >> THAT IS — CHRISTIE CREATED
00:35:23 – CREATING CONVERSATIONS, GETTING
00:35:28 – PARTICIPATED IN MEMPHIS SHE'S A
00:35:30 – MINISTER AND A MOTHER WHO WILL
00:35:32 – SOON HAVE THE TALK WITH HER TWO
00:35:35 – SONS.
00:35:35 – I HOPE I NEVER FORGET THE TIME
00:35:37 – WHEN I WAS PREGNANT WITH OUR
00:35:41 – FIRST SON.
00:35:42 – MY HUSBAND AND I WERE SO
00:35:43 – EXCITED, WE WERE WALKING INTO
00:35:45 – THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE, BUT I
00:35:46 – STOPPED IN MY TRACKS, I SEE A
00:35:49 – YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN ABOUT 12
00:35:52 – OR 13 YEARS OLD.
00:35:54 – HIS HANDS WERE IN HANDCUFFS AND
00:35:57 – HIS FEET WERE SHACKLED.
00:35:59 – AND THAT JUST BROKE MY HEART
00:36:01 – WIDE OPEN, TO HAVE A BLACK BOY
00:36:04 – GROWING INSIDE OF MY BODY, THAT
00:36:06 – WAS SORT OF A FIRST AWAKENING
00:36:09 – FOR ME ABOUT WHAT IT MIGHT MEAN
00:36:13 – TO RAISE A BLACK BOY IN THE
00:36:14 – UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
00:36:20 – >> FOR SO MANY WHITE PEOPLE,
00:36:22 – BECAUSE OF HAVING THE PRIVILEGE
00:36:24 – OF WHITE SKIN, WHICH AFFORDS
00:36:26 – THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE GIVEN
00:36:28 – THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT NOT THE
00:36:29 – AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMED TO BE
00:36:31 – SUSPICIOUS OR GUILTY OR UP TO NO
00:36:32 – GOOD.
00:36:35 – THEY ARE UNAWARE OF THE WAYS IN
00:36:37 – WHICH BLACK PEOPLE AND PEOPLE OF
00:36:39 – COLOR ARE AT FIRST GLANCE
00:36:42 – PERCEIVED IN THAT WAY.
00:36:48 – IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING COLOR
00:36:49 – BLIND, BUT RATHER OUR SONS
00:36:52 – DEMAND TO BE TREATED AS FULL
00:36:55 – HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE WORTHY OF
00:36:56 – DIGNITY AND RESPECT.
00:36:59 – SO, AS MY CHILDREN ARE GETTING
00:37:00 – OLDER, GRADUALLY WE'RE GOING TO
00:37:03 – HAVE THESE TALKS WITH THEM,
00:37:05 – BECAUSE YOU ARE AN AFRICAN
00:37:06 – AMERICAN, PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE
00:37:08 – WILLING TO SEE YOU AS JUST A
00:37:11 – CHILD, OR TO SEE YOU AS JUST A
00:37:15 – TEENAGER.
00:37:15 – BUT MIGHT FIRST BELIEVE THAT YOU
00:37:17 – ARE UP TO SOMETHING NO GOOD AND
00:37:19 – NOT WILLING TO GIVE YOU THE
00:37:20 – BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
00:37:24 – MY HUSBAND AND ARE I ARE IN THAT
00:37:25 – SPACE NOW OF TRYING TO FIGURE
00:37:27 – OUT WHEN WE START HAVING THOSE
00:37:31 – CONVERSATIONS.
00:37:35 – >> Stewart: PARENTS SAY THEY
00:37:36 – HAVE TO PREPARE THEIR CHILDREN
00:37:38 – FOR THE POSSIBILITY THAT AN
00:37:39 – ENCOUNTER WITH THE POLICE COULD
00:37:41 – GO WRONG.
00:37:42 – BUT IT COULD ALSO GO WRONG FOR
00:37:44 – THE OFFICERS WHO HAVE TO PREPARE
00:37:45 – FOR DANGER AND FACE THEIR OWN
00:37:47 – FEARS.
00:37:47 – IN THIS EXCERPT FROM THE
00:37:48 – DOCUMENTARY, WE GET A REVEALING
00:37:50 – LOOK AT HOW POLICE RECRUITS AT
00:37:51 – SOUTH CAROLINA'S TRAINING
00:37:52 – ACADEMY LEARN THAT A SPLIT
00:37:54 – SECOND MISCALCULATION, AN HONEST
00:37:56 – MISTAKE, OR A BRIEF FLASH OF
00:37:58 – BIAS CAN ESCALATE A ROUTINE CALL
00:38:00 – INTO A DEADLY CONFRONTATION.
00:38:04 – >> UNIT ONE.
00:38:05 – INITIATING A TRAFFIC STOP ON A
00:38:07 – BLACK FOUR-DOOR SEDAN LICENSE
00:38:11 – PLATE, WE'RE ON MAIN —
00:38:13 – >> TRAFFIC STOPS ARE REALLY
00:38:14 – DANGEROUS.
00:38:15 – WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING
00:38:16 – INTO.
00:38:17 – WE HAVE SECONDS, MAYBE A MINUTE
00:38:20 – TO EVALUATE A SITUATION BASED ON
00:38:22 – THE VIEW THROUGH A BACK WINDOW
00:38:29 – TO GATHER INFORMATION ON THE
00:38:30 – PERSON THAT WE'RE STOPPING.
00:38:31 – >> HOW ARE YOU FEELING TODAY,
00:38:31 – ARE YOU ALL RIGHT?
00:38:32 – >> DOING GOOD.
00:38:32 – DOING GOOD.
00:38:33 – >> YEAH, I GET REAL NERVOUS.
00:38:35 – >> NO SUCH THING AS ROUTINE
00:38:36 – TRAFFIC STOP.
00:38:37 – EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT, YOUR
00:38:38 – ADRENALINE GOES, WHAT IS GOING
00:38:40 – ON, WHAT'S HAPPENING?
00:38:43 – THE 80-YEAR-OLD LADY WHO JUST
00:38:45 – DOESN'T KNOW THAT SHE RAN A STOP
00:38:47 – SIGN.
00:38:47 – AN ARMED ROBBERY SUSPECT.
00:38:49 – YOU DON'T KNOW.
00:38:50 – >> AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES A TURN
00:38:51 – FOR THE WORSE.
00:38:55 – THE VIDEO IS A VIDEO THAT WE USE
00:38:57 – IN TRAINING HERE DURING OUR
00:38:58 – TRAFFIC STOP TRAINING IN WEEK
00:39:00 – NINE.
00:39:00 – HE WAS A TROOPER THAT WAS KILLED
00:39:03 – IN THE LINE OF DUTY HERE IN
00:39:04 – SOUTH CAROLINA.
00:39:05 – >> GOOD TO GO.
00:39:06 – >> THANK YOU, SIR.
00:39:09 – >> WE USE THAT VIDEO BECAUSE IT
00:39:11 – SHOWS A LOT OF TACTICAL ERRORS.
00:39:14 – WHEN THE SUSPECT GETS OUT OF THE
00:39:16 – VEHICLE.
00:39:16 – WE NEED TO GET THEM TO THE REAR
00:39:17 – OF THE VEHICLE AND CONTROL HIS
00:39:19 – MOVEMENT WHILE HE'S OUTSIDE THE
00:39:21 – VEHICLE.
00:39:21 – AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
00:39:23 – MARK DIDN'T DO.
00:39:30 – >> IT WAS TACTICAL ERRORS THAT
00:39:31 – WE SEE THAT ENDED UP COSTING
00:39:32 – MARK HIS LIFE.
00:39:41 – >> IT'S A DANGEROUS JOB, NO
00:39:42 – IFs, ANDs OR BUTs ABOUT
00:39:44 – IT.
00:39:44 – ASPECTS OF THIS JOB THAT WILL
00:39:46 – PUT POLICE OFFICERS IN HARM'S
00:39:47 – WAY.
00:39:48 – >> I DON'T KNOW, MAN.
00:39:56 – >> GUN!
00:39:57 – GUN!
00:39:57 – >> DON'T MOVE.
00:40:00 – >> ALMOST EVERYBODY IS CARRYING
00:40:01 – A GUN NOW.
00:40:04 – AND THEY KNOW THAT EACH TIME
00:40:05 – THEY ENCOUNTER SOMEBODY.
00:40:09 – >> WHEN HE CAME INTO THIS
00:40:10 – BUSINESS IN 1979 I WAS WORKING
00:40:14 – NARCOTICS, I WAS WORKING
00:40:15 – UNDERCOVER DOING STREET-LEVEL
00:40:17 – BUYS, NOBODY I EVER BOUGHT
00:40:20 – HARDLY HAD A GUN BACK THEN.
00:40:21 – I DIDN'T EVEN COUNT ON PEOPLE
00:40:22 – WITH GUNS.
00:40:24 – TODAY, EVERYBODY HAS GOT A GUN.
00:40:29 – >> AM I THE ONLY —
00:40:31 – >> NO.
00:40:33 – >> WHENEVER YOU HOLLER “GUN” IT
00:40:35 – CAME OUT AND YOU GUYS WERE
00:40:36 – STRAIGHT LINE, ALL RIGHT.
00:40:38 – IT TOOK YOU A SECOND TO REALIZE
00:40:40 – IT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE — TUNNEL
00:40:41 – VISION.
00:40:42 – AND IT COMES BACK UP AND YOU'RE
00:40:44 – LIKE, OWE — THAT'S MY PARTNER.
00:40:47 – >> COME ON, STEP BACK OVER HERE.
00:40:48 – I DON'T WANT TO DO MY SEARCH
00:40:49 – RIGHT HERE.
00:40:50 – I'M DOING IT RIGHT THERE ON
00:40:52 – CAMERA.
00:40:52 – ALWAYS ON CAMERA.
00:40:53 – ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS ON
00:40:55 – CAMERA.
00:40:55 – THAT VIDEO CAMERA IS TO COVER
00:40:59 – YOUR A**.
00:40:59 – >> I CAN SEE WHERE ANYBODY THAT
00:41:00 – IS PULLED OVER WITH BE IN PERIL.
00:41:02 – THAT IS A SCARY SITUATION FOR
00:41:03 – ANYBODY.
00:41:04 – I'VE BEEN PULLED OVER, IT IS
00:41:05 – VERY SCARY TO BE DRIVING DOWN
00:41:07 – THE ROAD AND HAVE BLUE LIGHTS
00:41:08 – AND SIRENS LIGHT UP IN YOUR
00:41:10 – MIRROR.
00:41:10 – >> I BURY MY HEAD IN THE SAND
00:41:11 – THINK WE DON'T HAVE RACISM IN
00:41:13 – LAW ENFORCE; IT DOES EXIST.
00:41:16 – IT EXISTS ALL OVER THE UNITED
00:41:18 – STATES.
00:41:18 – BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE
00:41:19 – CAN'T MAKE EFFORTS TO ELIMINATE
00:41:24 – RACISM.
00:41:24 – >> IS JUST THAT, CULTURAL
00:41:26 – DIVERSITY, WE TALK ABOUT
00:41:28 – EVERYBODY.
00:41:28 – PEOPLE'S PREJUDICES, THEIR
00:41:30 – BELIEFS, THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS.
00:41:31 – WE WANT TO, IF ANYTHING ELSE GET
00:41:32 – THEM TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE
00:41:32
00:41:34 – BOX.
00:41:34 – STEM UP OUTSIDE YOUR COMFORT
00:41:35 – ZONE OFTENTIMES EVERYONE HAS A
00:41:38 – BIAS.
00:41:39 – BUT A LOT OF TIMES, IT'S NOTHING
00:41:40 – THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BE UGLY
00:41:42 – ABOUT.
00:41:42 – IT'S JUST THAT'S HOW I WAS
00:41:43 – RAISED I DON'T KNOW ANY
00:41:45 – DIFFERENT.
00:41:45 – I'VE HEARD STUDENTS SAY, I
00:41:48 – DIDN'T GROW UP AROUND ANYONE
00:41:50 – WHITE OR BLACK.
00:41:50 – >> IT'S DECISION MAKING.
00:41:52 – WHAT YOU HAVE IS SCENARIOS, I'LL
00:41:54 – SHOW YOU ONE HERE SO YOU CAN SEE
00:41:56 – WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
00:41:57 – YOU GOT TO TREAT IT LIKE THE
00:41:58 – REAL WORLD.
00:41:59 – PUT YOURSELF IN THAT SCARECROW.
00:42:06 – OKAY N HERE WE GO.
00:42:15 – >> WHERE IS HE?
00:42:16 – WHERE IS HE AT?
00:42:19 – >> GET OUT!
00:42:20 – >> DROP THE GUN!
00:42:23 – DROP THE GUN!
00:42:24 – I NEED TO YOU DROP THE KNIFE!
00:42:27 – >> SPEND ALL HIS MONEY ON BEER,
00:42:29 – NOT OUR KIDS —
00:42:30 – >> I UNDERSTAND!
00:42:31 – JUST DROP THE KNIFE SO WE CAN
00:42:32 – TALK ABOUT IT.
00:42:33 – THANK YOU.
00:42:40 – >> I UNDERSTAND.
00:42:47 – >> YOU RECOGNIZE THIS, WHAT DOES
00:42:48 – SHE WANT TO DO?
00:42:49 – >> SHE WANTS —
00:42:54 – YOU RECOGNIZE THAT RIGHT AWA
00:42:58 – AWAY.
00:42:58 – WHAT THE —
00:42:59 – >> DROP THE KNIFE!
00:43:03 – >> HAVE HER DROP THE KNIFE THEN
00:43:06 – WE CAN TALK.
00:43:06 – THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO D. SHE'S
00:43:07 – GOT TO DROP THE KNIFE BEFORE WE
00:43:08 – CAN TALK.
00:43:08 – EXCELLENT.
00:43:08 – >> I'M NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT.
00:43:09 – >> I UNDERSTAND.
00:43:10 – JUST DROP THE KNIFE SO WE CAN
00:43:10 – TALK ABOUT IT.
00:43:11 – THANK YOU.
00:43:13 – BAM, SHOT, RIGHT THERE.
00:43:16 – WHAT IF HE HAD DONE THAT.
00:43:19 – >> THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN GOOD.
00:43:21 – >> IN ORDER FOR OFFICER TO
00:43:22 – UTILIZE DEADLY FORCE, THE
00:43:25 – WEAPON, THEY HAVE TO BE
00:43:27 – JUSTIFIED.
00:43:27 – THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE
00:43:28 – ELEMENTS PRESENT, THE
00:43:30 – OPPORTUNITY IN JEOPARDY.
00:43:31 – >> YOU SAW A FLASH COMING OUT
00:43:32 – FROM BEHIND HER BACK.
00:43:33 – >> I DID.
00:43:36 – >> DID YOU ALL SEE HIM?
00:43:37 – HE RELAXED.
00:43:38 – OH, MAN, CAME BACK OUT WITH THAT
00:43:41 – BOTTLE RIGHT THERE THAT WOULD BE
00:43:41 – THAT QUARTER SECOND YOU HAD TO
00:43:43 – MAKE A DECISION, HOLY CRAP IS
00:43:44 – THAT A BOTTLE OR A GUN?
00:43:47 – >> THERE'S NO AIMING FOR THE
00:43:48 – HAND LIKE IN THE MOVIES.
00:43:50 – OR TRYING TO SHOOT SOMEONE IN
00:43:51 – THE LEG LIKE YOU SEE IN THE
00:43:53 – MOVIES.
00:43:54 – THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
00:43:56 – ONLY THE SKILL, HIGHLY TRAINED
00:43:59 – LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DO THAT
00:44:01 – TYPE OF THING.
00:44:03 – THE REGULAR OFFICER ON THE
00:44:04 – STREET WITH JUST HANDGUN, THEY
00:44:06 – ARE GOING TO SHOOT FOR CENTER
00:44:09 – MASS OF THE TARGET THAT THEY
00:44:10 – HAVE AVAILABLE AND THEY ARE
00:44:12 – SHOOTING TO ELIMINATE THE
00:44:14 – THREAT.
00:44:14 – >> WE ON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING
00:44:15 – LIKE THAT.
00:44:17 – NONE MUCH US DO.
00:44:20 – OFTENTIMES WE GOT TO BE MORE
00:44:21 – REACTIVE THAN PRO-ACTIVE
00:44:23 – CERTAINLY IN THIS TYPE OF
00:44:24 – SITUATION.
00:44:24 – I GOT TO SEE WHAT THAT IS, SEE
00:44:26 – WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THAT
00:44:27 – THING.
00:44:27 – GET THE WHOLE STORY.
00:44:29 – DON'T ASSUME THAT SOMETHING IS
00:44:30 – WHAT IT APPEARED TO BE.
00:44:32 – VERY SELDOM IS.
00:44:35 – >> WE LOOK TRYING TO REESTABLISH
00:44:36 – PEACE AND WE'RE TRYING TO
00:44:38 – ACTUALLY BUILD THE RELATIONSHIP
00:44:39 – BETWEEN POLICE AND COMMUNITY,
00:44:41 – BUT YET HERE WE ARE OUT HERE
00:44:42 – SHOOTING THE POLICE.
00:44:44 – WE CAN'T DO.
00:44:44 – THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEAL
00:44:47 – WITH THE PROCESS SO IT WAS A
00:44:49 – STEP BACK.
00:44:55 – >> Stewart: WHILE PUNDITS AND
00:44:55 – CABLE NEWS GRAPHICS CLAIM WE ARE
00:44:57 – A NATION DIVIDED, THE REALITY IS
00:44:59 – WE ARE A NATION OF DIVERSE
00:45:02 – OPINIONS AND EXPERIENCES, BUT
00:45:02 – WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS AT
00:45:05 – ODDS.
00:45:06 – WE'VE INVITED THREE PEOPLE, WITH
00:45:06 – THREE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, TO
00:45:07 – SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS AND DISCUSS
00:45:09 – HOW WE MIGHT FIND COMMON GROUND
00:45:10 – ON POLICING, PROTEST AND RACE.
00:45:13 – JOINING ME HERE IN THE STUDIO
00:45:15 – ARE MONIFA BANDELE SENIOR
00:45:16 – CAMPAIGN DIRECTOR OF
00:45:17 – moms-rising.org, JOURNALIST IAN
00:45:19 – TUTTLE, A WRITER AND A FELLOW AT
00:45:21 – THE NATIONAL REVIEW, AND MARQUEZ
00:45:22 – CLAXTON, DIRECTOR OF THE BLACK
00:45:23 – LAW ENFORCEMENT ALLIANCE AND A
00:45:25 – RETIRED NEW YORK POLICE
00:45:26 – DETECTIVE.
00:45:28 – THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING
00:45:29 – HERE.
00:45:29 – WE'LL USE FIRST NAMES FOR THIS
00:45:30 – CONVERSATION.
00:45:32 – MONIFA, YOU HELPED START COP
00:45:34 – WATCH IN 1999, TRAINED TEAMS ALL
00:45:37 – AROUND ABOUT HOW TO MONITOR THE
00:45:40 – POLICE.
00:45:40 – I WANT TO KNOW FROM YOU, WHAT
00:45:43 – WAS THE HARDEST THING TO GET
00:45:44 – YOUR HEAD AROUND AFTER THE
00:45:46 – EVENTS THAT HAPPENED IN TEXAS,
00:45:48 – MINNEAPOLIS AND IN LOUISIANA.
00:45:51 – >> IT WAS ALMOST SURREAL WHEN WE
00:45:54 – FIRST STARTED DOING COP WATCH
00:45:55 – AND VIDEOTAPING POLICE, CELL
00:45:57 – PHONES DIDN'T EXIST, VIRAL VIDEO
00:45:59 – WAS NOT AROUND.
00:46:00 – THERE WASN'T EVEN FACEBOOK IN
00:46:01 – 1999.
00:46:02 – SO, THIS IDEA THAT PEOPLE COULD
00:46:04 – TAKE VIDEO AND IT COULD GO VIRAL
00:46:07 – AND THEN IT COULD BE RAPID
00:46:10 – RESPONSE TO INCIDENCE IN THE WAY
00:46:11 – IT TOOK A LONG TIME BEFORE.
00:46:12 – ONE IS JUST LIKE REALLY POWERFUL
00:46:14 – THAT THIS WAY OF ACTIVISM HAS
00:46:17 – REALLY DEVELOPED AND EXPLODED IN
00:46:19 – MANY WAYS AS WE'VE SEEN IN THESE
00:46:21 – CITIES.
00:46:21 – THE OTHER PIECE I THOUGHT ABOUT
00:46:23 – WAS THIS NEW TALK NOW THAT WE
00:46:25 – HAVE WITH OUR CHILDREN AS
00:46:26 – PARENTS.
00:46:27 – WHICH IS ABOUT WATCHING VIDEOS
00:46:30 – OVER AND OVER.
00:46:31 – I FOUND MYSELF EACH MORNING WHEN
00:46:33 – THOSE VIDEOS CAME OUT WAS THE
00:46:34 – KILLING OF THE MAN IN LOUISIANA
00:46:37 – AND IN MINNESOTA, WANTED TO
00:46:39 – HURRY UP GET TO MY CHILDREN SAY
00:46:41 – THERE'S A VIDEO OUT, IT WILL BE
00:46:42 – ON SNAPCHAT, IN YOUR NEWS FEED
00:46:45 – BUT YOU NEED TO PREPARE YOURSELF
00:46:47 – IN A WAY THAT WE DIDN'T
00:46:48 – EXPERIENCE WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER,
00:46:49 – BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST
00:46:51 – RETRAUMATIZING.
00:46:51 – >> AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER,
00:46:53 – WHAT WAS HARD TO RECONCILE FOR
00:46:55 – YOU AFTER THE EVENTS OF THE PAST
00:46:56 – TWO WEEKS?
00:46:57 – >> I TELL YOU, IT WASN'T — NOT
00:47:00 – DIFFICULT TO RECONCILE.
00:47:03 – THEY ARE — I EXPECT THEM AT
00:47:05 – THIS POINT GIVEN THE TRAGIC
00:47:07 – HISTORY OF EVENTS, GIVEN THE
00:47:09 – TRAGIC HISTORY OF POOR POLICE
00:47:11 – COMMUNITY RELATIONS GIVEN THE
00:47:13 – FACT THAT I REALIZE THAT WE LIVE
00:47:15 – IN A WORLD WE HAVE CRAZY FOLK
00:47:16 – OUT THERE.
00:47:17 – AND SOMETIMES THOSE CRAZY PEOPLE
00:47:19 – WILL ENGAGE IN ALL TYPES OF
00:47:21 – VIOLENT ACTS.
00:47:22 – AND EVEN SOMETIMES AGAINST
00:47:24 – AUTHORITY OR GOVERNMENT, FOR
00:47:25 – EXAMPLE.
00:47:28 – SO, THERE IS NOTHING SHOCKING.
00:47:29 – IT IS, HOWEVER, QUITE TRAUMATIC
00:47:31 – AS MONIFA END DIETED WATCH,
00:47:34 – OBSERVE THESE VIDEOS OVER AND
00:47:36 – OVER AGAIN AND TRAUMATIC TO HAVE
00:47:38 – TO LIVE THROUGH, EXPLAIN,
00:47:40 – RATIONALIZE MANY OF THE EVENTS
00:47:43 – THAT THE VIDEOS DEPICT.
00:47:45 – >> IAN, YOU'RE A YOUNG GUY, YOU
00:47:46 – WRITE FOR SELF IDENTIFIED
00:47:48 – CONSERVATIVE PUBLICATION, WHAT
00:47:49 – ABOUT THE EVENTS 69 PAST TWO
00:47:52 – WEEKS STRUCK A CHORD WITH YOU?
00:47:54 – >> NONE OF THESE EVENTS SEEM
00:47:55 – PARTICULARLY UNEXPECTED.
00:47:59 – GIVEN WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE
00:48:00 – PAST TWO YEARS.
00:48:04 – UNFORTUNATELY.
00:48:04 – UNFORTUNATELY ALSO I THINK WE'VE
00:48:07 – BEEN UNWILLING TO SORT OF
00:48:09 – DISAGGREGATE WHAT ARE TO A
00:48:12 – CERTAIN EXTENT DIFFERENT EVENTS,
00:48:14 – THE NEED TO BE SORT OF PROPERLY
00:48:16 – CONTEXTUALIZED, IN THE DEATHS WE
00:48:23 – HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF VIOLENCE
00:48:26 – AND AS MOW FEE FA POINTS OUT WE
00:48:28 – HAVE INSTANT ACCESS TO THAT —
00:48:30 – TO THE FLIP SIDE OF
00:48:33 – ACCOUNTABILITY IS SNAP JUDGMENT.
00:48:37 – WHICH AS WE SAW IN THE CASE OF
00:48:39 – MICHAEL BROWN OR READY GREY,
00:48:41 – SOME OF THESE OTHER CASES, MANY
00:48:43 – OF KNOWS SNAP JUDGMENTS TURN OUT
00:48:45 – TO BE WRONG, TURN OUT TO BE
00:48:47 – UNJUSTIFIABLE.
00:48:47 – WHERE AS IN DALLAS WE HAD VERY
00:48:49 – OBVIOUS CASE OF WHAT WAS
00:48:51 – EFFECTIVELY DOMESTIC TERROR.
00:48:55 – SO, IT'S SIMPLY IMPORTANT IN THE
00:48:57 – CONTEXT OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT
00:48:59 – TRAGEDIES TO ALSO BE
00:49:01 – DIFFERENTIATING THE
00:49:02 – CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THESE
00:49:04 – EVENTS AND BY DOING THAT, I
00:49:06 – THINK WE CAN FIGURE OUT MORE
00:49:07 – CONSTRUCTIVE WAYS TO ADDRESS ALL
00:49:09 – OF THEM.
00:49:10 – >> WE OUGHT TO KEEP IN CONTEXT,
00:49:12 – KEEP IN HISTORICAL CONTEXT
00:49:14 – OFTENTIMES, AS WAS INDICATED THE
00:49:16 – REACTION, THE RESPONSE, SOME
00:49:18 – TIMES VISCERAL RESPONSE, IS NOT
00:49:22 – OF RUSH TO JUDGMENT, PER SE.
00:49:24 – BUT IT IS A REACTION TO WHAT
00:49:26 – PEOPLE SEE AND OBSERVE AND
00:49:28 – RECOGNIZE TO BE A SYSTEM THAT IS
00:49:30 – IN NEED OF REFORM.
00:49:32 – AND THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS
00:49:33 – OUT THERE WHO ACT, UNDER THE
00:49:36 – COLOR OF LAW, PERPETRATE CERTAIN
00:49:38 – OFFENSES AGAINST CIVILIAN
00:49:40 – POPULATION, AT LEAST TO THEIR
00:49:41 – GUESS.
00:49:42 – THEN THE ARGUMENT BECOMES,
00:49:43 – INSTEAD OF WHAT CAUSED THIS, HOW
00:49:46 – DID THIS HAPPEN, WAS IT
00:49:47 – AVOIDABLE.
00:49:48 – IT NOW BECOMES A SITUATION WHERE
00:49:49 – PEOPLE SAY, WAS IT JUSTIFIED OR
00:49:52 – NOT JUSTIFIED.
00:49:53 – >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE
00:49:54 – WHO REACT IMMEDIATELY.
00:49:56 – THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO REALLY
00:49:58 – AREN'T THAT INTERESTED,
00:49:59 – OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED
00:50:00 – ABOUT THE LOSS OF LIFE AND FEEL
00:50:02 – PAIN AND SADNESS ABOUT THAT,
00:50:03 – BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, REALLY ARE
00:50:05 – THAN DEEPLY INVOLVED AS
00:50:06 – ACTIVISTS ARE.
00:50:08 – DOESN'T AFFECT THEIR DAILY
00:50:09 – LIVES, DOESN'T COME TO THEIR
00:50:10 – FRONT DOOR, AREN'T REALLY
00:50:11 – INTERESTED IN POLICE REFORM.
00:50:13 – WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THOSE
00:50:14 – PEOPLE, THIS IS JUST A HEADLINE
00:50:15 – THEY READ IN THE NEWS THEN MOVE
00:50:16 – ON WITH THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
00:50:18 – >> IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE STEP
00:50:19 – IN OTHER PEOPLE'S SHOES.
00:50:21 – THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE
00:50:22 – GOING TO COME UP WITH A
00:50:23 – COLLECTIVE SOLUTION.
00:50:25 – THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING
00:50:26 – TO BE ABLE TO ACTUAL LIES THE
00:50:29 – AFFIRMATION THAT BLACK LIVES
00:50:31 – MATTER.
00:50:31 – EVERYONE HAS TO STEP OUTSIDE OF
00:50:34 – THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE AND TAKE A
00:50:35 – LOOK AT THIS.
00:50:36 – BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE RIGHT
00:50:37 – NEXT TO THEM THAT CAN'T STEP OUT
00:50:38 – OF THE SITUATION.
00:50:40 – >> YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE
00:50:42 – REMOVED FROM THIS SITUATION.
00:50:44 – WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT
00:50:45 – IS WHITE PEOPLE.
00:50:46 – BLACK PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO BE
00:50:48 – TOTALLY REMOVED FROM THE
00:50:49 – SITUATION.
00:50:50 – WE'VE HEARD COUNTLESS STORIES NO
00:50:51 – MATTER THE SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS,
00:50:53 – NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, WHO
00:50:54 – YOU ARE, THIS IS YOUR REALITY
00:50:57 – YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS,
00:50:59 – ADDRESS IT AT SOME POINT.
00:51:01 – JUST TO BE CLEAR, BLACK FOLK
00:51:02 – CAN'T AFFORD TO BE READ MOVED
00:51:03 – FROM THE SITUATION AT ANY LEVEL.
00:51:06 – >> IAN, YOU'VE WRITTEN ABOUT
00:51:07 – BLACK LIVES MATTER AND
00:51:09 – COMPLIMENTARY ABOUT SOME PARTS
00:51:10 – OF THE MOVEMENT AND CRITICISMS.
00:51:13 – TELL ME ONE THING YOU THINK OF
00:51:14 – THE MOVEMENT IS REALLY
00:51:16 – ACCOMPLISHING THAT'S POSITIVE
00:51:17 – AND SOMETHING ABOUT THE MOVEMENT
00:51:18 – THAT TROUBLES YOU.
00:51:19 – >> I THINK MONIFA LAID OUT WHAT
00:51:22 – SEEMS LIKE PHILOSOPHICAL COMMON
00:51:25 – GROUND, THE BLACK LIVES MATTER
00:51:26 – IN MY READING IS PREDICATED ON
00:51:29 – THIS SORT OF IMAGINATIVE ACT OF
00:51:31 – COMPASSION WHICH IS STEP OUT OF
00:51:33 – YOURSELF, PEOPLE WHO DON'T
00:51:35 – UNDERSTAND THE PAIN AND THE FEAR
00:51:37 – THAT DOES EXIST IN THE BLACK
00:51:39 – COMMUNITY.
00:51:40 – STEP OUT OF YOUR LIVES AND INTO
00:51:42 – THAT POSITION AND TRY TO
00:51:44 – UNDERSTAND IT.
00:51:45 – I THINK THAT'S A WAY — THAT'S
00:51:47 – CAN BE VERY POWERFUL WAY TO
00:51:50 – DISSOLVE BARRIERS.
00:51:52 – WHAT I'M CRITICAL OF IS THAT A
00:51:54 – LOT OF BLACK LIVES MATTER
00:51:55 – ACTIVIST DON'T SEEM TO BE
00:51:57 – WILLING TO DO THAT FOR LAW
00:51:58 – ENFORCEMENT.
00:51:59 – UPLOOK AT A SITUATION LIKE WE
00:52:00 – HAD SHORTLY AFTER DALLAS.
00:52:04 – WHERE YOU TALKED TO POLICE
00:52:06 – OFFICERS, I HAVE POLICE OFFICERS
00:52:08 – IN MY FAMILY WHO TALKED ABOUT
00:52:10 – THIS AS WELL.
00:52:11 – POLICE OFFICERS ACROSS THE
00:52:12 – COUNTRY WERE FRIGHTENED, THEY
00:52:13 – WERE VERY SCARED, PERHAPS MORE
00:52:16 – AFRAID THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN
00:52:20 – YEARS.
00:52:21 – AND THE ACT OF A LOT OF BLACK
00:52:22 – LIVES MATTER DEMONSTRATORS WAS
00:52:25 – TO RATCHET UP TENSIONS.
00:52:27 – AND IN PLACES LIKE BATON ROUGE
00:52:29 – AND ST. PAUL AND CHICAGO, TO
00:52:31 – BECOME VIOLENT.
00:52:33 – THAT TO ME SAYS THAT A LOT OF
00:52:35 – ACTIVISTS ARE DEMANDING
00:52:38 – SOMETHING OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T
00:52:41 – UNDERSTAND THE FEAR IN THE BLACK
00:52:42 – COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE NOT
00:52:43 – WILLING TO DO THAT FOR LAW
00:52:46 – ENFORCEMENT AND FOR OTHERS.
00:52:47 – >> FINAL QUESTION FOR ALL OF
00:52:49 – YOU.
00:52:50 – WHAT COULD EACH OF YOU DO WITH
00:52:53 – PEOPLE WHO ARE IN YOUR
00:52:54 – COMMUNITY, WHO ARE LIKE-MINDED
00:52:55 – FOLKS WHETHER THEY BE ACTIVISTS
00:52:56 – OR POLICE OFFICERS OR
00:52:58 – CONSERVATIVE OR WRITERS AND
00:52:59 – JOURNALISTS WHAT IS ONE THING
00:53:01 – THAT YOUR COMMUNITY COULD DO TO
00:53:03 – HELP FIND COMMON GROUND WITH
00:53:05 – OTHER PEOPLE?
00:53:06 – WHAT DO YOU ANY ONE THING?
00:53:08 – >> PROMOTE IT IS IDEA THAT WE
00:53:10 – HAVE TO BEGIN HONEST
00:53:11 – CONVERSATION AND DIALOGUE, LET'S
00:53:13 – NOT BE IN DENIAL ABOUT THE ROLE
00:53:15 – THAT RACE PLACE IN LAW
00:53:17 – ENFORCEMENT.
00:53:18 – DON'T BE NAIVE ABOUT THE RACE
00:53:22 – PLACE, DO NOT DISMISS THE
00:53:25 – EXPERIENCES OF MY COMMUNITY, FOR
00:53:28 – EXAMPLE.
00:53:28 – IT'S NOT COLLECTIVE
00:53:29 – HALLUCINATION, IT'S REALITY,
00:53:32 – SUBSTANTIATE THAT.
00:53:35 – HONEST EDUCATION AT LEAST ACTION
00:53:37 – IS THE KEY.
00:53:38 – >> WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT
00:53:39 – ACTIVIST CAN DO TO HELP FIND
00:53:40 – COMMON GROUND WITH OTHER FOLK?
00:53:43 – >> ACTIVISTS RIGHT NOW REALLY
00:53:45 – FEEL IT'S PREMATURE TO JUMP TOP
00:53:48 – A KUMBAYA MOMENT, BECAUSE SO
00:53:50 – MANY FAMILIES ARE WAITING FOR
00:53:52 – JUDGMENT.
00:53:52 – THE MOMENT HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE
00:53:54 – COMING TOGETHER HAS TO DEAL WITH
00:53:57 – THE ONGOING DENIAL OF JUSTICE IS
00:53:59 – HAPPENING.
00:54:00 – WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH
00:54:01 – THAT AND DEAL WITH THOSE
00:54:03 – INCIDENTS BEFORE WE CAN COME
00:54:05 – TOGETHER AND HAVE SOME TYPE OF
00:54:06 – RESOLVE.
00:54:07 – THE PAIN HAS TO STOP FIRST
00:54:09 – BEFORE YOU CAN COME TOGETHER.
00:54:12 – >> IAN, TO YOU?
00:54:13 – >> WELL, SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT
00:54:14 – THAT, THAT ACTIVE IMAGINATION,
00:54:16 – THE ACT OF COMPASSION WHICH I
00:54:18 – THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR WRITERS
00:54:20 – WHO ARE OFFERING OPINIONS AND
00:54:23 – FREQUENTLY SPEND THEIR TIME
00:54:26 – NEEDLING AND THE REST, THAT'S
00:54:28 – SORT OF THE NATURE, BUT ALSO A
00:54:32 – LOT OF US ARE ON THE FRONT LINES
00:54:34 – OF POLICY DISCUSSIONS AND I
00:54:35 – THINK LOOKING FOR ACTIVE WAYS IN
00:54:38 – WHICH THROUGH MUNICIPAL
00:54:40 – GOVERNMENTS OR STATE GOVERNMENTS
00:54:41 – PARTICULARLY WE CAN FIND REFORMS
00:54:44 – THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT AND
00:54:45 – ACTIVISTS CAN GET BEHIND TO PUSH
00:54:49 – THIS EFFORT FORWARD.
00:54:50 – >> IAN TUTTLE, MONIFA BANDELE
00:54:52 – AND MARQUEZ CLAXTON, THANK YOU
00:54:54 – SO MUCH.
00:54:54 – >> THANKS FOR HAVING US.
00:55:22 – >> Stewart: BEFORE WE GO, A
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